Jinnah's Pakistan?

[yazdi]

Re: Jinnah’s Pakistan?

@psyah

Peace yazdi

Criminal mindsets have been allowed to fester as a result of pseudo-Islamic values being allowed to take root … You are using “psuedo” to mean something else … The fact that you call them criminals and at the same time say they are doing what they do for the cause of Allah (SWT) means they are adherents of pseudo-Islam … by orientation I meant “desire good” - and that it was symbolised in the facing of the ka’bah … Not the other way round … i.e. it is not noble to face the ka’bah and then go off and do evil.

I find it intruiging that you have no hesitation to allow such people to claim they represent Islam and forsake it by claiming that you want something other than Islam to be the state that you live in … in the establishment of a proper Shari’ah the first thing that will be done will be to use the media to discredit their interpretation of Islam and win over the minds towards a healthier version … Remember I said - I believe in gradualism. We shouldn’t be impatient.

To add more to what I said earlier … if people are not pious enough to desire punishment then at least they will feel guilty and avoid repeating the sin … as no one will glamorise sin due to the orientation of the society being towards good, slander and character assasination used by current media outlets will become outlawed and any body trying to blame or slander without evidence or in controlled arenas such as in the courts, will be subject to prosecution. In a society where the general populous are orientated towards good ideals then it won’t stop people taking advantage at first, but it will have a gradual homeopathic cleansing effect of the society.

First of all psyah bhai I do not believe in Mahdi/Messiah/personality worship etc etc. You know my stance against literal religionist. I believe in systems, rules, institutions, laws and their implementation, tolerance, coexistence and above all the ability of a society to use collective wisdom peacefully and for the larger benefit of the society..

Now coming to your above post.. If you remember I sent you a pm sometime ago with a link where a cleric was so conveniently slapping kafir fatwa on somebody for a difference of opinon.. and this was no ordinary cleric. He is the Amir of the largest political religious party.

Once we let this pandora box of sharia open.. then we have all sort of sole champions of ideology and morality with guns. Your kind at best can post your sharia in forums like these.. these guys are ready to kill or die for their cause. It doesn’t take much intelligence to figure out whose sharia will be accepted.

It’s easier for you to chant sharia from the safe havens of UK.. we live in a constant fear from these self proclaimed champions of ideology and morality. It’s a serious issue in Pakistan.. people get killed for a difference of opinion.

As I said.. you have lost touch with reality specially in Pakistan.. and you live in your idealistic gagaland of sharia. Try preaching this sharia to one of the armed 175 types of militant gangsters operating in the name of sharia. I know you have fantastic reasoning skills.. I challenge you to convert only one persons from what you call criminality to your sharia.. I am sure once you are in their company in one of their dens, you would agree 100% with their sharia.. at least I would to save my neck from getting chopped..

BTW this industrialist friend of mine who was kidnapped in the name of Allah also used to pray 5 times bajmaat facing Holy Ka’aba alongwith his abductors as long as he stayed in their custody.

You said in your earlier post that Allah will judge you for your effort and not the results. The issue is not which corner of jannat you will occupy in the hereafter. The issue is to have a practical, doable, realistic system for our troubled society in this mortal world where we can provide some social justice to the people. At least where some enabling environment can be created where people can go along with their business of life. Where some essential choices can be provided to people in a tolerant environment. Where people can coexist without chopping each other’s head.

A secular model where religion is separated from state may be UnIslamic as per your understanding (not mine), but is the only option available to us for this environment of coexistence..