Re: Jinnah's Pakistan?
**The coming of Mahdi – Is a Sign of the Day of Judgement
The Mahdi, one of my children, comes into being, by the blessing of Allah, upon the approach of the Day of Judgment and the weakening of the hearts of the faithful because of death, hunger, and the disappearance of the sunnah, and the emergence of innovations and the loss of means by which to enjoin the right and forbidding the wrong. His justice and prosperity will ease the hearts of the faithful, and friendship and love will settle between the non-Arab and Arab nations. (Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi `Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-Zaman, p. 66)
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Also people have suggested that the loss of hope of the coming of Mahdi – is itself a sign that he is imminent.
**The fallacy in the claim that religion cannot provide or does not possess the elements of a workable society
**All of these elements are present in the concept that I am trying to portray … systems, rules, institutions, laws and their implementation, tolerance, coexistence and above all the ability of a society to use collective wisdom peacefully and for the larger benefit of the society
By saying no to my version you are saying that:
- God does not deserve praise for our successes
- The Way of God is incapable of providing these solutions
However with the added extra – to be more efficient these aspects are gleaned from Islamic sources and all successes in those endeavours are attributed to God.
**Use of the morally bankrupt and worst examples of Muslims to justify being anti-religionist
**I said earlier that ranked person of religious aught to remain aloof of politics to remain untouched by persuasions and unhealthy influences. Yet you bring the example of that cleric who does the complete opposite of who I consider high-ranking.
A myopic view of the future used to justify inaction and returning to the same failed methods to succeed.
You have a sense that Shari’ah is a pandoras box, yet it is not pandoras box – it is all in your head … You have been battling with those supporters of Shari’ah who themselves are focussed on the outward just like you see the outward similarity between me and them … however the people who I follow have very different outlooks. You can’t use the inadequacies of one to justify not giving light to the other. It is almost as if you are afraid that we could be right.
In turn - failure to see other than in a binary way towards governance.
To me you and those pseudo-Islamists are similar – i.e. you are more concerned with the “name” and less concerned with the “nature” – we focus on the inward and you both are concerned with the outward. Likewise they are violently active and they will see us two as the same they will label us as pacifists and people wasting time in discussions. Likewise you see me and those criminals the same because we profess to Shari’ah and are against secularism … Whether you realise it or not the people who I follow stand in the middle … because we (you and I) share in our values of principles and we have a similar understanding of what makes a just society but at the same time I share some of my values with those pseudo-Islamists that Allah (SWT) should be involved in our decisions and Praised accordingly and that moral fibre stems from His Deen. If anything we are the bond that will be bridge us but we have never been given any ground and dismissed as a Pandoras Box.
The false assumption that my kind are not ready to die for our cause
The way that I follow teaches me to be patient without resorting to mindlessness … we are not pacifists and we don’t fear for our lives when it comes to achieving justice. We will not kill but we will not allow ourselves to be killed and we will protect the innocent and if we get harmed or killed in the process then we did so for the sake of Allah (SWT) … We are taught not to harbour hatred and to be loving and compassionate …
The fallacy of diminishing the importance of the power of communication and information delivery
Sitting in the comfort of my home and calling for Shari’ah is with intent because the age we live in is all about the communication of ideas. These are the front lines. Those people who are popularly called “Armchair jihadis” are not who I follow. They call for all out war yet themselves sit in the comfort of their homes … I am surprised that you seem to be painting me with the same brush. My appeals in this forum are to provide you with a hope that is there another option other than you and them …
**The fallacy of difference of opinion in Pakistan is harmful and therefore shouldn’t be done
**I would like to call upon your opinion … it is quite clear that you have a different opinion from the pseudo-Islamists yet you feel it okay to speak about your secularism without fear … so then why try to stop me by using the difference of opinion argument? To say it again … the assertion that people get killed for a difference of opinion in Pakistan yet you yourself have no problem harbouring a difference of opinion to the religionists, so why should that concern me as well?
Besides the logic of the arguments suggests that if people call for Shari’ah like I am then those people will get killed … in which case it sounds as though you are making a threat if I lived in Pakistan then your kind would want to kill me for calling for Shari’ah … Is that true?
**The fallacy of making the version of Shari’ah that I profess to as idealistic when it has never been tried in the modern days with any serious effort
**Give it a chance that is all I say … Let’s become what we were meant to be.
The ludicrous idea that I need to be obliged to try and convince the 175 types of gangsters of my version of Shari’ah, when the same person will never to try to convince the same that Shari’ah is not required
My scholars teach me balance. Bravery and Recklessness are not the same things. If these people are so knuckleheaded as you say then they will do the same with you if you tried to convince them of secularism … But I guarantee they will take your head off quicker than mine … because at least I resemble them in the outward form and praise Who the praise.
To me trying to convince a criminal to accept my version of Shari’ah is probably as futile as convincing you of my version of Shari’ah … but I have a greater expectation from you to understand … so understand.
I mean otherwise then what is the difference between those criminals and you? Those people are knuckleheads and they follow orders however the people here are supposed to be free thinkers surely? My hope is the people who they take orders from see reason. Or society shows them that there is a better position. I believe they are a reaction to “godlessness” and when they see “religious” people doing “good” I trust they will follow. Although I was never that zealous and violently inclined, I note, that is how I came to my current understanding.
The strawman argument that conversion to my version will be impossible if I was in their dens
I would not be in their dens …
The industrialist friend story to rally an argument of authenticity
I’m sorry for your industrialist friend, but it was not me who made him pray five times a day.
**The fallacy in the argument that we need a practical doable model … as refutation of the model that I presented
**The model I presented was misunderstood as a utopia that could not be reached … I answered this concern by saying that it is indeed a workable model that we can work towards … orientate towards it. By so doing then even if a person does a crime the state will not be heavy handed to them if that crime remains hidden. This model is utopian only in it’s endeavours however due to it’s orientation it will focus on striving to better itself for selfless ends … the consumerist capitalistic societies do not teach charity but encourage selfishness and hence affray and discord result … jealousy and criminal activity become rife. In a society where “to have” is not seen as the best, but “to give” is seen as the best then not only will there be healthy tiers in society but the criminal activity will be minimised.
**Annuit Coeptis – Novus Ordo Seclorum
**We are living in confusing times … but a method to work out what is right is often to look at what is wrong … And to me “Secularism” is the agent of the “Dajjalic System”
Narrated Anas (radiAllahu anhu), The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said,
"No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e. disbeliever)."
Sahih Al-Bukhari, 9.245 - This Hadith is also quoted by Abu Hurairah and Ibn 'Abbas
Narrated Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman (radiAllahu anhu) that “Then the Anti-Christ (Dajjal) will come forth accompanied by a river and fire. He who falls into his fire will certainly receive his reward, and have his load taken off him, but he who falls into his river will have his load retained and his reward taken off him.” I then asked: “What will come next?” He said: “The Last Hour will come.”
Sunan of Abu Dawud #4232
Narrated by Hudhaifah (radiAllahu anhu) The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said about Ad-Dajjal that he would have water and fire with him: (what would seem to be) fire, would be cold water and (what would seem to be) water, would be fire.
[Sahih Al-Bukhari, 9.244]