Jinn or Schizophrenia

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All this jinn talk reminds me of a patient I came across.

He was a young gujrati boy. He will in the psychiatry ward after attacking his brother and attempting to stab him after he was convinced his brother had done some black magic on him and made him get possessed by an evil Jinn because this boy started hearing voices telling him to do bad things and he was convinced his brother was out to get him.

At first his family were convinced it was some sort of jinn thing going on which made this boy act in this odd way. They seeked help, one day the family found him talking to someone telling them to get out, there was no one in the room.

The boy attacked other memebers of his family and the police became involved. As a result he was bought into the psychiatry unit.

I dont know if he is still there but the last time I was there he had significantly improved after being on medication, he did not hear or see things, he did not believe that his brother was out to get him but he remained very suspicious and aggressive.

His family do not believe he has schizophrenia they still believe there is been some sort of jinn posession however the boy has to remain in hospital has he is under the mental health act.

I dont know what I believe.

Sometimes when I hear people talk about jinn stories I think - hmmm maybe they are schizophrenic, but I dont know, I am never sure.

Please discuss.

info on schizophrenia Schizophrenia: Symptoms, Causes, and Treatment

p.s. I am not accusing anyone here of being schizophrenic

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I tend to think that :(

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Right on. It's a mental disorder to believe in jinns bhoots aatmas spirits etc etc

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I believe a lot of cases in history where people were thought to be possessed were cases of schizophrenia. But I can never fully discredit possession and voices since I believe them to exist. It is the "waswaaas" talked about in Surah Nas also.

[TABLE="class: surah_table, width: 100%"]

Say: "I seek refuge with
(Allâh) the Lord of mankind,

The King of mankind

"The Ilâh (God) of
mankind,

"From the evil of the whisperer
(devil who whispers evil in the hearts of men) who withdraws (from his
whispering in one's heart after one remembers Allâh) ,

"Who whispers in the breasts
of mankind,

"Of jinn and men

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^ I always intepreted that whispering as something you cant hear - more like temptation

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i also came across a case at work about a pakistani guy who killed the father of a teenage boy with whom he had an affair, he didn't have any family and was homeless, and kept saying he was possessed by a djin and that's why he had homosexual tendencies and was pushed to kill the father.
his psychiatric report suggested that he had some sort of mental disorder, i think a lot of people prefer to involve djins because they can't face that they have a problem coming from them, same goes for their family

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what are the chances of two different people having the same 'jinn' experience (hearing/feeling/seeing) at the same moment and called schizophrenic?

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Since I have helped many people get over their Jinns by taking them to psychiatrist and put them on medication. I have seen them getting better with the help of medication to the extent that they are all leading normal lives now , I believe they were/are all psychiatric patients . And if the loved ones overcome their superstitions all of these folks can be treated and can become productive members of society again.
I do believe in Quran . Quran talks about existence of Jinns. So they are there. Where they are I do not know. If they are capable of possessing someone I do not think so.
There is one verse in Quran which says about people who charge interest on money they act as if shaitan has touched them. And shaitan is a jinn . But still it is not talking about possession by jinn and it is not valid for every situation where people behave as if they are possessed by jinn.

*******“Those who consume interest (ribaa) do not arise except as he arises whom Satan has driven to madness by his touch.” [2 (Al- Baqarah), 275] *******

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Whispering can occur without possessing someone.

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One of the most useful and authentic islamic books on jinn and human sickness is this one

have a look at the TOC you will see how there is a distinction between the two

i agree with your first paragraph though

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I agree Mirch, I am just saying that I believe that "voices" can be jinnat due to this verse and my personal interpretation of it.

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ok, so I have a chachi in KHI who is routinely affected by jinns, bhooths, spirits etc (:smack:) seriously, no joke! from the day she got married (insisted on driving down to Sea View from Gulshan in her full dhoolhan get up and a kaali billi crossed the road on the way, so that was “asaar” number one), to random tavees’ in her almari’s and stuff, i’ve grown up hearing about all her supposed “possesions”. being a product of the West, i tend to believe it’s hysterics more than anything (my dadiaal is pretty psycho, lol), however the last “episode” got me wondering if there isn’t some truth to the stories..here’s what happened, and please bare with me as it’s a rather long story, i’ll try not to ramble too much…

So in 2007, when my dad moved back to Khi after taking early retirement, I started hearing stories from him about one of my choti chachi’s and her bizarre behavior. This chacha and chachi of mine were living in a house that belonged to her sister, and the bottom portion was rented out to another family. When the other family moved out, my chachi went down to survey the condition of the home, and supposedly it was around asr time, and she had to use the bathroom, rather than go all the way back upstairs, she used the restroom in the lower story of the home, and there was a large urn that was left behind from the previous tenants outside the restroom. Fast forward a few days, it’s between asr & maghrib, and my chachi and cousin are back in their drawing room, both reading Quran, when my cousin notices that chachi’s facei is changing color and her eyes are rolling back in her head. so my cousin finishes reading her ayat, and blows it on her mom, and calls my chacha to the room…then follows a bunch of hysterical stories involving super human strength, jumping on furniture and masculine voices. She was admited to AKU, where the cleared her of any physical or mental ailments and said that there is something else going on…so then my family calls in the big guns, some medium lady,who lives way out by Water Tower/Pump area, and apparently she is well versed in talking to jinn and uses fresh rose petals to lure them into conversation (i swear i’m not making this up!) so this lady finds out that the jinn who has possessed my chachi is actually an Afghani jinn, who was living in the lower portion of the house where my chacha & chachi reside. the jinn reportedly told the medium that he had taken hold of my chachi because he wanted to force them out also so that he could have the entire house for his own family. Now whaaaaa??? So then alot of negotiations ensued between the jinn and the medium, with the jinn claiming “yaa tho yai ghar dhedo, yaa yai aurat”…they finallyy reached an agreement where the jinn said he would accept a compromise, so the medium instructed the men in my family to sacrifice a black goat and bury the head only along with some sugar, gehoon, mirch, etc in the lawn.

Now, I arrived in Khi right after this whole escapade was over to visit my dad, so the topic was still new and fresh. My dad was a very pious and devote man, but also realistic and pragmatic. When I asked him what really happened, he said to take everything I had heard and to minus 50% out of it, and that is what happened. Did some nafarious jinn cast a shadow on her? Yes, most definitely…was she climbing walls, speaking in tounges and using super human strength…probably not. Since this chachi has a history of jinn related ailments, Papa said it was hard to deduce what was real and what was faked. He said that “asaar hotain hain zuroor, laikin aadmi ki sonch main bhi kaafi taaqat hai”…basically, keep yourself clean, don’t go looking for trouble, and it won’t find you!

I also heard that their was another neighborhood family who used to reside in that home who had always suffered financially and health wise until they moved out…

So that leads me to my point…do jinns “possess”, i would say yes, but you have to be weak, unclean, etc, to be susceptable to a true possession. I think more often than not, in our culture other mitigating factors (mental disease/stress) depression, family strife often get interpreted as something else…

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^OMG...jinn possession is really something that creeps me out but yes as khattichic quotes her dad as saying don't go looking for trouble..that makes so much sense. It's like we know jinn exist and they might be living amongst us but there isnt a point in going and looking for them, doing all sorts of voodo, calling spirits etc crap. It would obviously offend them too!

Also one needs to have full faith in Allah and when one has it no living being can harm that person.

Now coming to inspi's question...I have always felt that it is hard to draw a line b/w a real psychiatric illness or jinn etc playing a role.

What I think is a person who really is suffering from schizophrenia would be in a constant denial about their condition. They would keep blaming others for plotting against them, planning evil. Also they would be in denial about their aggressive episodes, paranoid delusions etc.

Someone who happens to be possessed by a jinn or is living where jinn etc are trying to bring harm, that person would be fully aware of things and would ACCEPT that something's wrong. They'd be normal most of the time. And from the stories I hear about 'maximal masculine strength, changing of voices etc these things are not something a schizophrenic person would be able to pull.

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Interesting point enigmatic about insight into the problem. A jinn possessed person has insight where as a schizophrenic person doesnt.

Something I will ponder over.

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You're the doc you tell us, pfft.

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Enigmatic is a doctor pick on her!

I am a bechari final year student :(

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I'll let you off.

P.S wheres the Pizza at??

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hehe am a doctor but at this moment as gharailu as I can ever be :hehe:

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Dr. E, how is you doing?

What do you specialise in?

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Hey CEO…at the moment am just a stay at home doc :hehe:

Lol I just graduated in March and then I moved to the UK..and so far am just taking a break from studies. I have to prepare for my pLAB …and then look for a job IA :smiley: