Plz read islamic books....you will find that other name of surah infal is surah qitaal....
jihad bil qitaal is a term used for the top most type of jihad..when all other means of trying to convince non belivers not to oppose islam fails then the final step is the operation ....
try searching how many times qitaal is used in quran in conjuction with jihad.....
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Try to understand: There are two kinds of jihad, the major jihad and the minor jihad.
The major Jihad (Jihad al-Akbar) is the struggle against one's inner self (nafs) to subjugate and control one's passions and carnal desires.
The minor jihad (Jihad al Asghar) means to struggle for Islam. Not for extension of boundaries, not for personal glory, not for the glory of any tribe, community or nation, but for the defence of Islam and the protection of its values. Often referred to in the
Qur'aan as qitaal (warfare).
On return from one of the battles the Holy Prophet addressed the Muslims as follows:
"You have now returned from jihad al-asghar. The jihad al-akbar continues to remain a duty with you."
“Jihad bil qitaal” is not a single term; “Jihad” and “Qitaal” are two terms which can be used inter-changeably (same meanings). “Jihad” in conjunction with “bil qitaal” never been used; because both have the same meanings (apart from the two meanings given above). I have never read it before. The Islamic books I have studied so far. If you have read it please provide a reference. Jihad bil Saif is the correct term.
Sumaj nahin aati ka loog ghulti kar kay uss per qaaim kyoun rahatay hain. Aapni ghulti ko accept karnay ki bajaay dusaroun ko tunz ka nashana banatay hain.
Dear Inuit, give peace a chance, say no to violence, and I will clap for you definitions of inner and outer jihad.
Chalna, you have escaped my question.
Why you do not claim dead bodies of your Mujaheedins. Very shamelessly you leave them with us, with kafirs. Most of the time we, kafirs have to burry the dead bodies of your Mujaheedins..
(Though we always burry them with full respective religious honors.)
What your religion says to do with the dead body of a Mujahideen? Leave it like a scapegoat? Chechnya, Israel. Kashmir, including Kargil, are full of such your disrespect towards the killed Mujahids.
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Dear Inuit, give peace a chance, say no to violence, and I will clap for you definitions of inner and outer jihad.
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Muslims have been ruled by Western Puppet (or so called Pro-Western) Governments for the last 50/60 years. Muslims have been robbed and raped in their own countries, now Jihad is the only option.
I know non-muslims are jumping up and down because of all these Martyrdom Operations going on all over the world, not knowing who'll be next. But this is the way it has to be now.
Stupid Saddam gave the West a chance to defile Arab nations now stupid Bush has given the chance to have American Soldiers blown up into pieces.
And oh, thousands and thousands of Muslims have been martyred fighting for their own countries, now lets see how mnay soldiers the Americans will sacrifice to defend their oil insterests. (History says that America can't afford too many causlties!)
Why you do not claim dead bodies of your Mujaheedins. Very shamelessly you leave them with us, with kafirs. Most of the time we, kafirs have to burry the dead bodies of your Mujaheedins..
(Though we always burry them with full respective religious honors.)
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What you do with your dead bodies; so we can do accordingly.
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It's so easy to talk but so hard to do.
How many of you (guys and girls) are willing to go to places like Chechnya, Israel and Afganistan? I know most of you would just say "I am" but think about it, can we really sacrifice our comfortable lives for Jihad?
There is a big difference between hold a sword and then charge with one. A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE and it's really heavy to understand.
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I would as long as they have a free Keg, and girls from hooters and scores. Now thats a jihad.
here's an old saying for all you anti-American jihadi's:
Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
If you think that the US has made things tough on for muslims living in the west and the ME since 9-11, just wait to see what happens if there's another terrorist attack.
Ooooh you mean they might actually lie about a WMD and go to war killing thousands of innocent civilians Even worse they might strip all civil liberties and implement crap like the Patriot act
"The point is anyway, we have no State at this moment. We have some lands which the Mujahideen control. So we start from scratch and we try and regain back every single inch of Land that has been occupied by every single non-Believer from Musharraf in Pakistan to Fahad in the Arabian Peninsula.
In fact, Jihad becomes obligatory upon the Ummah to regain back their land that was occupied."
And thus we have the rational for terrorists.
If indeed Jihad does mean struggle, then we seem to be rushing very quickly toward violence.
One would think that armed jihad, violent jihad would be the last resort in any civilized religion. There are ways of persuasion, political means, information methods and religious means to accomplish a goal. In the age of media, satellites may be more powerful than the sword.
Yet the hard core Islamist leap to violence so quickly, engage in no compromise, equate land as a God given right, and brainwash the masses with symbolism of AK47's as a device for religion, (rather than take this invention of godless communist and condemn it as the weapon most likely to kill Muslims), and whip up a frenzy of Jihad, to little or no practical purpose.
One would think that armed jihad, violent jihad would be the last resort in any civilized religion. There are ways of persuasion, political means, information methods and religious means to accomplish a goal. In the age of media, satellites may be more powerful than the sword.
Yet the hard core Islamist leap to violence so quickly, engage in no compromise, equate land as a God given right, and brainwash the masses with symbolism of AK47's as a device for religion, (rather than take this invention of godless communist and condemn it as the weapon most likely to kill Muslims), and whip up a frenzy of Jihad, to little or no practical purpose.
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so how come you didnt employ persuasion, political means, information methods and religious means to get rid of the Taleban/Saddam like civilised people?
Let's see, the UN fought with Saddam for nearly a decade about his aggressive and violent ways. We discussed and exhausted every avenue to reign in Saddam. Saddam arguably killed over a million Muslims. Why not wage some Jihad on Saddam yourselves? Wars with Iran, slaughters of Shias and Kurds. Last time I checked these people were Muslims. Clean your own house next time, so the US does not have to do it.....
Afghanistan sheltered killers. Screw 'em. they were told to give up OBL, and they chose not to.
But I digress, and I have allowed you to distract me from the discussion at hand. I would recommend that Muslims give serious thought to the now almost automatic assumption that Jihad=Violence. There are other ways to "struggle" and achieve your aims.
What I dont understand is why people are saying that being a very religious Muslim is wrong. For some reason, a lot of people think that when Muslims try to defend themselves, they are being extremists.Its easy for people to say that the US did the right thing.But they got attacked for a reason .The US brought it upon themselves.People dont just go off and do something for no reason.They keep asking 'why?' Maybe they should look back at what they have done to deserve such an act against them.It was one of the most horrific actions against mankind.But could it not have been prevented?
If I was an Afghani or Iraqi and my family was being killed, yes I would also kill to protect those I love.Thats when violence can be right. Jihad is a struggle, but yes killing can be a part of it.
Og--- and how many Muslims were killed in this war for freedom? And when will the US take some steps to rebuild the country?
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Let's see, the UN fought with Saddam for nearly a decade about his aggressive and violent ways. We discussed and exhausted every avenue to reign in Saddam. Saddam arguably killed over a million Muslims. Why not wage some Jihad on Saddam yourselves? Wars with Iran, slaughters of Shias and Kurds. Last time I checked these people were Muslims. Clean your own house next time, so the US does not have to do it.....
Afghanistan sheltered killers. Screw 'em. they were told to give up OBL, and they chose not to.
But I digress, and I have allowed you to distract me from the discussion at hand. I would recommend that Muslims give serious thought to the now almost automatic assumption that Jihad=Violence. There are other ways to "struggle" and achieve your aims.
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hah! evasive manoevers eh?
"Afghanistan harboured killers". You advocate political means, persuasion, all that bullcrap that you summarily rejected when the Taleban wanted to pursue those courses.
With Saddam, millions of people across the world thought there was room for political solutions, as did the arse Saddam. Only one significant voice, maybe 3, agreed with what you did. And you have the cahoney to advocate non violence?
addendum to the above. not that I disagree with the fact that Jihad doesnt necessarily equate to violence. But this, coming from you is utterly ridiculous.
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Ooooh you mean they might actually lie about a WMD and go to war killing thousands of innocent civilians Even worse they might strip all civil liberties and implement crap like the Patriot act
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Mark my words, if there are attacks of any significance on US soil, these post-9/11 actions/reactions will look like child's play. Bush will win in a landslide and things will escalate exponentially. Your life will become much more complicated.
"Og--- and how many Muslims were killed in this war for freedom? And when will the US take some steps to rebuild the country?"
Just so we have something to compare against, the number of Muslims killed in the Iraq war was just about equal to the AVERAGE number of Muslims killed every year for the past 30 years by Saddam. Think about it. Saddam was a huge butcher of Muslim lives. If "Jihad" is so important, then why no "Jihad" on Saddam? Solve your own problems.
As far as rebuilding, what would you have us do? You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. There are billions of dollars approved and waiting to be spent on reconstruction. American dollars. The US has negociated huge debt concessions on behalf of Iraq. We may be a superpower, but asking about rebuilding in the middle of an insurrection is just a plain stupid thought.
As far as Afghanistan, the conflict and negociations to capture OBL started well before Bush. There were years of pressure, persuasion, carrots and sticks to try to cajole the Taliban to give him up, as the extradition laws in any civilized coountry would do for a criminal. How conveniently we forget that our problems with OBL did not start on 9/11, they just came to a head. Bombing of embassies, the COLE, these were well known by the Taliban. Diplomacy was indeed exhausted.
As Stu says, the world has not yet felt the full might of the US military. One can lose at Jihad too.
Og its easy to say the US did what was right.A war is never just, unless its fought in a just way in every move :starting it,during it, and ending it.So you're saying since the killings are equal ,hey it was alright to kill all those innocent folks too? You mean to tell me that all those so called accidents that killed innocent people are ok? The treatment of the prisoners that Im sure you heard about and saw is ok?You want to compare Saddam to the US, fine by me.
I never said Saddam shouldnt be given the worst punishment one can imagine.He was a tyrant.He deserves to suffer.However, Im talking about the innocent people here.The US didnt try to free the Afghanis or the Iraqis before the terrorist attacks.They had two buildings attacked, and they atacked two nations .Theres nothing about saving the innocent people from a corrupt leader in the wars Im seeing.Its about the American pride, their greed and their power.And as far as OBL is concerned, the US wanted him right after he stopped working for them.It's all a big twisted joke.
But hey we'll wait for the weapons of mass distruction.Whatever.The US only wanted to save themselves.There was no question about freeing the people of Iraq.It was all about the US saving its own hide from the so called future attacks and what not.
Then answer me this. If Jihad is manditory where Muslims are oppressed, then why was no Jihad declared against Saddam? For the past 12 years the West, largely the Christian countries opposed him.
Why did the Muslims who are so self-rightious not recognize that the West would have worked with them to rid the world of possibly the most prolific killer of Muslims alive in the world today? Why today are the Muslim countries standing aside and watching the Iraqis continue to suffer?
The Muslims today commenting on "woe is Iraq" arent' actually helping Iraqi's in any way, they are sitting comfortably infront of thier computers and pounding away on thier keyboards. Perhaps some "jihad" should be waged against bad water, criminals, no electricity, the things that Iraqi's really need. I assure you the US would fund such an effort and withdraw very quickly. As it is, for all of the moaning about "poor Iraqi's" they are being played as pawns by Islmists who care more about depowering the US than feeding Muslim kids.
Sorry folks, but in my observation "jihad", as it is largely practiced today, is just thinly veiled hate.
Apart from the rest of your post OG bhai, this is a very interesting question.
Did you know that people actually did that? In fact, there is a 'Jihad' going on aganist Mushraff as well. Or is it terrorism?
The fact of the matter is that Jihad when used in terms of picking up arms can only be declared by a state (Islamic or Muslim), not individuals, groups or clerics. If the state you live in does not sanction such a fight, it's no more than a bloody political struggle & most often a tool of disorder than an orderly struggle that Jihad is suppose to be.
I dont know why the Muslims didnt take any steps to help those people before, beats me what they were thinking.Or maybe they tried ,maybe we dont know what really happend.The US will withdraw when they get what they want.No other action will make them leave.It's all about power and money.Since most Muslims leaders today are corrupt its obvious why they didnt take any steps to help the oppressed people before.
And listen buddy, nobody is pounding away at their keyboards instead of helping the Iraqi people.If you're talking bout me, well you're right here too.Im simply discussing this issue.Im not going to run to Iraq and declare Jihad.I dont think Islam is telling me to do that.I would end up dead, and that would be no help to the Iraqis.There are other ways of helping them though.And the lack of no clean water or electricity in Iraq was caused by the 'war for freedom.'
And you dont understand Jihad.We're not saying that US is always wrong, and Muslims are always right.There are all types of people who call themselves Muslims; we're talking about Islam here.Theres a difference when you want to discuss Islam.The way in which Islam defines Jihad, its not about veiled hate.Common sense is enough when one wants to understand the basic rules for Jihad.Jihad is a struggle.Sometimes this struggle might lead to killing.If Im being atatcked, I will protect myself and those I love, in the best way I can.
(ps you have an interesting way of having a discussion.You answer no questions that you're asked, but demand more answers to your own questions.)
Even worse they might strip all civil liberties and implement crap like the Patriot act 