It’s so easy to talk but so hard to do.
I wish I could really understand it, the more I learn the more I feel confused.
How many of you (guys and girls) are willing to go to places like Chechnya, Israel and Afganistan? I know most of you would just say “I am” but think about it, can we really sacrifice our comfortable lives for Jihad?
There is a big difference between hold a sword and then charge with one. A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE and it’s really heavy to understand.
You must be confused SheeN, Jihad does not mean "holy war". It means struggle.
Sheen , Jihad could even be me trying to wear a scarf to work.Like Stu said, it means 'struggle'. It doesnt mean pick up weapons and start attacking other nations.
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Sheen , Jihad could even be me trying to wear a scarf to work.Like Stu said, it means 'struggle'. It doesnt mean pick up weapons and start attacking other nations.
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Jihad means struggle correct but if country like UK and US invade then you attack them with your military 100%
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It's so easy to talk but so hard to do.
I wish I could really understand it, the more I learn the more I feel confused.
How many of you (guys and girls) are willing to go to places like Chechnya, Israel and Afganistan? I know most of you would just say "I am" but think about it, can we really sacrifice our comfortable lives for Jihad?
There is a big difference between hold a sword and then charge with one. A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE and it's really heavy to understand.
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sheen i know what you are saying country like israel and russia cannot be defeated by one or two guys with machine guns.
To defeat israel and russia you need a state which will support and fund an army to take on entities such as israel and russia.
In the quran it say you must prepare yorself best of your ability i.e have the best of weapons have the best of armies and air forces. So preperation must be done, going gung ho one man and his horse is not going to inflict that much damage.
To fight a state you need another equal state can you see this point!
ak47.. No offence, but your above post seems almost like an excuse.
Sheen's question was "How many of you (guys and girls) are willing to go to places like Chechnya, Israel and Afganistan?" If you really believe all that you said, your answer should be an inequivocal "Yes". Even if there is this super state of muslims, they will still need able-bodied volunteers to fight the wars in Chechniya and Israel. If you are one of those, you should stand up and say "Yes". If not, then there is no point in being just a cyber jihadi. Walk the walk.
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Jihad means struggle correct but if country like UK and US invade then you attack them with your military 100%
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I thought Islam allowed fighting in defence .Not really direct attacking?
Faisal-- I think he was getting to that.Nobody is going to say yes, unless they have something to back up the 'yes' with.
Wait..you are telling me that even after 1500 yrs, you guys can;t figure out what Jihad means? Let's shelve it until there are some smart people that can come and decipher it for you guys. waddaya say?
its a matter of interpretation. you know what that is dont you? you were harping a lot about it on another thread recently?
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Wait..you are telling me that even after 1500 yrs, you guys can;t figure out what Jihad means? Let's shelve it until there are some smart people that can come and decipher it for you guys. waddaya say?
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And people who have absolutely no clue about it, should hush.:o
Oh I know wwhat it is about…two of my B-School friends got a first had experience when the jihadis ramed two planes into wtc. So figure it out quickly, because we already have and are doing something about it. 
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come on matty, the mosad agents were never jihadis....
agree with this point very much well said :k:
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ak47.. No offence, but your above post seems almost like an excuse.
Sheen's question was "How many of you (guys and girls) are willing to go to places like Chechnya, Israel and Afganistan?" If you really believe all that you said, your answer should be an inequivocal "Yes". Even if there is this super state of muslims, they will still need able-bodied volunteers to fight the wars in Chechniya and Israel. If you are one of those, you should stand up and say "Yes". If not, then there is no point in being just a cyber jihadi. Walk the walk.
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Faisal you have fair point, definetly i am willing to sacrifice my life i would much prefer to die on battlefield than die in my bed sleeping or at my desk at work.
But in the reality me on my own can i defeat russia on battlefield. What do i need to fight russia?
As the mujahideen in chechnya are fighting the russians they fighting very brave battle but they need massive support in terms of a state machinery which will provide weapons, artillary etc. In the short term i can go there and fight but for the correct soloution that will be permanant soloution they need a state to back them so what do you do go for short term messure or for a permanant solution, so as one of my job is to encourage the muslim countries with their armies to help at state level because these armies trained to fight they have the means and ablity to make a significant difference.
VEry good question -sister? …yes most us though we are very vocal about sufferings of ummah do liitle to stop these countries…rather we are trying to back stab those who have the guts to stand against oppression…
If we read quran …there are very clear order as to what we should do now…
we should stand against the evil-stop them with our hands…but that is easier siad then done…and we all know that ALLAH;s rehamat to muslim will only come if we are following islam completly…
So in short …the remedy is not in just putting guns in your hands…it is like changing your life according to islam…* rajo ilal lah * …and attributing the results to ALLAH’s will not to weapons…
Jihad bil qitaal is very discussed issue…and is clear from quran that if non muslims wage war agianst muslims then it is the best form of jihad against the oppressors…
Just read suran ANfal-TAubah …and do you know that one of kunniyat of HAdrat MUhammad :saw: was nabi us saif and nabi ul mulahim…
Walaikum Assalam
BAo bihari
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum.
I have just skimmed this post. I seen it before, but I promised myself I wouldn't reply.
But, erm, oh well.
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You must be confused SheeN, Jihad does not mean "holy war". It means struggle.
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And from where did you get this?
Check Lisaan ul-‘Arab as it has the correct meaning of the terms used in the Sharee'ah.
But, anyways.
Lets say it does mean Struggle.
Indeed, the greatest struggle is Fighting in the Path of Allaah.
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Sheen, Jihad could even be me trying to wear a scarf to work.Like Stu said, it means 'struggle'. It doesnt mean pick up weapons and start attacking other nations.
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Okay sister. And the proof for this statement of yours is what?
So, where do we look for the interpretation of what Jihad means?
We look to the earlier generations. And we see what their Scholars have said.
The four Schools of Thought have agreed that al-Jihad means fighting in the Path of Allaah.
(If you want references, I can give them, Inshaa-Allaah).
The Quraan Verses only mention Jihad in the sense of Fighting in the Cause of Allaah.
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sheen i know what you are saying country like israel and russia cannot be defeated by one or two guys with machine guns. To defeat israel and russia you need a state which will support and fund an army to take on entities such as israel and russia.
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To fight a state you need another equal state can you see this point!
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Not necessarily.
We become victorious with our ’Aqeedah.
And say we have a big state, but corrupt Beliefs, fighting for the wrong reasons – Where will that get you.
The point is anyway, we have no State at this moment. We have some lands which the Mujahideen control. So we start from scratch and we try and regain back every single inch of Land that has been occupied by every single non-Believer from Musharraf in Pakistan to Fahad in the Arabian Peninsula.
In fact, Jihad becomes obligatory upon the Ummah to regain back their land that was occupied.
That is the reason why today Jihad is an obligatory duty upon each and ever single Muslim, man or woman, just like Prayer and Zakah is oligatory upon us.
For a long and detailed discussion of this and evidences from the Book of Allaah, the Sunnah of His Messenger and the Agreement of the Scholars - Refer to "Defence of the Muslim Lands" by the Imam, the Martyr, ash-Sheikh 'Abdullaah 'Azzam.
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In the quran it say you must prepare yorself best of your ability i.e have the best of weapons have the best of armies and air forces. So preperation must be done, going gung ho one man and his horse is not going to inflict that much damage.
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Yeah. The Scholars have stated that when you can not go out for Jihad with a legitamate excuse, then preparation is still absolutely obligatory upon that person.
Please elaborate further on “going gung ho one man and his horse is not going to inflict that much damage.” Jazakhallahu Khayr.
I mean, by this principle, you are saying, and Allaah Knows best, that let the Kuffar rape our women and take them as captives, let them sodomise and abuse our children, because we can't defend them until we get an army together, until we get a state togheter, until we build our weapons.
Brother, what do you call the Mujahideen up in Chechnya? In Afghanistan? They are an Army of their own. They are not a pop group. They are not a bunch of jokers who sit and crack jokes. They are not people with baseless aims who united themselsves together to play a game.
Please forgive me if I misintepretaed your words. And forgive me for any harshness or anything that I have said wrong. And please correct me. And that goes out to everyone.
Jazakhallaahu Khayr.
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But in the reality me on my own can i defeat russia on battlefield. What do i need to fight russia? As the mujahideen in chechnya are fighting the russians they fighting very brave battle but they need massive support in terms of a state machinery which will provide weapons, artillary etc. In the short term i can go there and fight but for the correct soloution that will be permanant soloution they need a state to back them so what do you do go for short term messure or for a permanant solution, so as one of my job is to encourage the muslim countries with their armies to help at state level because these armies trained to fight they have the means and ablity to make a significant difference.
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The noble and courageous brothers in Chechnya have their Rubb and they have their ’Aqeedah. What else do they need. They have the ability to makes weapons etc to attack their enemies with.
When they put their Trust in Allaah and Rely upon Him Alone, they become Victorious.
And, indeed, He has Blessed them and given them many Victories – As we see them implementing the Laws of Tawheed and establishing their Government in the Towns that are under their Authority.
When you see them brothers, when you see them speaking and laughing, you see their Unity, their love for each other, their bond and brotherhood, their struggle, their Eemaan, their courage, their determination, their Trust upon Allaah, their sacrifices, the miracles that have occurred with them, their Commanders and Ameers and how patient they are, how much wisdom Allah has bestowed on them, – It gives you an Eemaan Booster. It makes you smile, it makes you weep, because you are not there.
They are killing several Russian everyday.
To see that is enough of a Victory for them. These Strangers of the Ummah don’t care what Russia has, how big it is, how big their army is – The Muslim men, women and children from the Ummah are calling out to us and asking us to help them. And they have captured, kiled and turned enough of the Russians back on their feet running away like cowards.
And Allaah has told us:
And if they seek your assistance in the Deen then you must help them.
al-Anfaal :72.
The believing men and women are allies to one another.
at-Tawbah :71.
The Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wassallam) said: “The Muslim is the brother of (his) fellow Muslim. He does not oppress him nor does he surrender him.”
[al-Bukhaaree, Muslim and others]
He also said: “Assist your brother, be he an oppressor or oppressed.”
And there is many more evidences that can be brought forth to show us that it is absolutely Obligatory upon the Believers of today to go to the aid and help of the weak and oppressed amongst men, women and children of this Ummah, even if you don't have an Imam, a huge army etc. I mean what was the number of the Believers at Badr?
Allaah says:
"How often a small group overcame a mighty host by Allaah's Leave?" And Allaah is with As-Saabireen (the patient ones, etc.). al-Baqarah :49.
This just reminds me of an incident as to why Khattab, may Allaah accept him amongst the Martyrs, entered Chechnya. He said the old women were coming up to him and the Mujahideen and asking them, crying, will you help us? Stay in our Country, help us to fight the Kuffar.
So he asks the old women who was crying, if we come and fight, will you help us???
The old women said, even this coat which is the only possession I have, I will give it if that will help you.
You know his reply: “After hearing that, how can any Muslim say no!”
They went to fight there, putting their Trust in Allaah. They went to defend the weak and oppressed Muslims.
You don’t have to be the World’s Super Power to take on and fight someone. You have to have the right ’Aqeedah.
Raise your Mujahideen up like the Nabi Sallallaahu ‘Alayhi Was-Sallam did, like how Salahuddin raised his band of Mujahideen.
Jihad aint easy. It’s the hardest thing, the hardest sacrifice, the hardest struggle. But, to get an expensive Reward you need to pay an expensive price.
I understand now why our Predeccessors would say "When you see a difference of opinion in the Ummah then seek the Fatawa of those who are on the front lines because the Truth lies with them." And they bought their Proof from the Book of Allaah to substantiate their claim.
To be honest, most of the Ummah makes stupid and ridiculous excuses to avoid the Fighting and Defence of the Slaves of Allaah.
Whatever happened to the Hadeeth:
“Indeed it is obligatory upon the Muslims to free their captives or to pay their ransoms.”
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VEry good question -sister? .....yes most us though we are very vocal about sufferings of ummah do liitle to stop these countries......rather we are trying to back stab those who have the guts to stand against oppression.....
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Indeed. Well said. Barakallahu Feek.
Anything good written here is from Allaah and any mistakes are from me and the Shaytaan.
Please correct me and forgive me if I said anything wrong towards any of you.
Peace be upon those who Seek the Guidance.
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Good reply from At Tawheed.
During the early period of Islam the muslims were much weaker than the pagan Arabs, but still took them on under the orders of Prophet :saw:. Under the Caliphate of Umar 
, the islamic state was still in its infancy but still took on the Byzantine empire and the Persian (which it completely destroyed) empire. Both of these were much more powerful than the muslims at that time, but they still took them on in Jihad.
Maybe it has something to do with them being strong in faith and us lacking in faith.
How true is this 
Everyone has the right to defend themselves.
In extreme cases, extreme actions are required. There are times in Islam, when rules can be broken for the greater good. I mean by that is, if a doctor prescribes alcohol for health reason to a patient, then it's allowed and many other rules can be broken like that.
The same thing goes with self defence. Nowadays people don't fight on the battlefield with soldier to soldier but instead trained killers just drop bombs from the skies as many as possible on as many people as possible to achieve a single target. As a result, innocent people are killed indiscriminatley that way, so an eye should be taken for an eye.
God Bless All Suicide Warriors.
Well said At-Tawheed.
The following hadith shows how the Prophet (saw) expressed his feelings towards Jihad.
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. **By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.* * Volume 4, Book 52, Number 54
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, **except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."* * Volume 4, Book 52, Number 72