Jehad Against Fasadi Taliban

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why only Barelvis? I think majority of people that are affected by these attacks (especially in KPK) is Deobandi. Correct me if I'm wrong?

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People of kpk are mostly deobandis hence they have borne the brunt the worst. Most political groups of the province JUIS, JUIF and ASWJ/LEJ have soft corner for the terrorists. I have great admiration for the work carried out by tableeghi jamaat but even they are quiet in this issue. Don't know its due to sectarian affiliation or something else. I consider the silence at this point to be criminal. I sent an email to Darul iftaa of mufti Naeem regarding this issue and got a standard response that their fatwa center is very busy. I don't know which fatwa would be most important at this juncture.

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Obviously which is surrounded by some sectarian hatred :bummer:

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This is the Email that I sent to Darul iftaa (more than three months ago):

"We know that suicide bombings are taking place in Pakistan for the past 9 years which has resulted in thousands of innocent deaths. This is not only damaging the lives and property of people but also has the tendency to put people away from the religion of Islam altogether. Outside Pakistan Islam (which literally means Peace) is being perceived as the religion of terrorism. Most of the organizations involved in terrorism within Pakistan like TTP and LEJ claim that they are followers of Deoband. While we have seen fatwas coming out from different sections of Islamic scholars but there is a complete silence from Deobandis in this regard.

Should Pakistanis conclude that Deobandi scholars are complicit in the murders of thousands of people within the country? Are suicide attacks allowed in Pakistan? Do Deobandis support the damage these attacks are having on Muslims, Pakistan and the image of Islam?

Please respond to my query as its an important question of our times and it has the tendency to damage the religion of Islam which some terrorists claim to be defending through nefarious activities."

And this is the response I got:

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:smack:

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We should give it to Deobandis of India as they recognized the threat of associating terrorism with Islam.

“Darul uloom Deoband has issued a fatwa against terrorism in India, as they realized the dangers of association of terrorism with the religion (Darool-Uloom Deoband issues fatwa against terror | Reuters). I don’t know why Pakistanis are not following suit.”

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vested interests are more than religious obligations for these scholars.

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thats another thing if you want a fatwa against biddats, its very easy to get…:snooty:

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wrong. That is thrown in to your face, whether you require it or not :hoonh:

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Fellas..for all i know..most of the students of knowledge as well as scholars here in north america, europe as well as in saudia arabia condemn suicide tactics as well as killing civilians. Not sure about ruling on jihad against them.

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There is a famous saying in Urdu that 'Khamoshi is neem razaamandi'. Ulema may have thousand reasons of keeping quite and not giving out fatwa, but when they dont then the only perception general public gets is that Ulema are pro-Taliban (which 50% of them are unfortunately)

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I agree ... I think the key difference in the ulema of India and Pakistan is that the latter tend to have a greater political presence in which case their outlook seems to be clouded by that ...

I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying this is the case ... But it appears as though such silent molvis have a half hope of revolution and want to be the ones who end up in greatest favour ... Or it could be that they genuinely do not want to meddle in politics and hence avoid giving fatwas to such organisations.

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Muqawee you were reading some tafseer some months back about jihad to know more about jihad,i hope you have read it completly. Unless we know about jihad from what quran o hadith has to say on certain issue relating to jihad and what was action of sahbaha :razi: and intrepretaion of classical scholars on that we should not be asking for fatwa of our choice.( and not what media has to say and makes us believe)

This is a good read on this

Drop in the Ocean: 82. teri barbadioN key mushwarey heiN asmaanoN meiN

To me, making it one sided affair is as bad as TTP actions. Dilemma is that both sides have done mistakes and one can not issue fatwa that may help other side.

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^ I do not agree. A person carries out a suicide attack and killes scores of innocent people (in mosques and markets). What is the reason for him getting killed? What role did he have in the on going war between taleban and the army? The same ulema are quick to give fatwas against the army (one party in this war) but can't say anything about the other side. This is giving rise to the feeling that these ulema support the murderous spree against Pakistani people (hence a party in their sufferings).

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I’ve got Modudi Saheb’s book ‘Jehad Fi Sabeel illah’ and let me find what are the arguments presented there. But currently, I feel religious scholars are tilted towards oppressor and killers of thousand innocent people by keeping silent. What I know is Jehad also include Jehad by word of mouth, which is also absent in current situation.

Let me tell you one thing. Yesterday, I read some where ’ tab hum per pathar ke daur ke mulla haawi nahin huwe the’. The remark is quite vulgar as it some how refers to outdated beliefs, but seeing all this situation, I would totally agree with someone who comes with statement ’ tab hum per pathar dil wale mulla haawi nahin huwe the’.

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Moulana Yousuf Ludhanwi before his assassination visited Afghanistan and met with Taleban and OBL and he endorsed their actions by saying that they were following the hadees for exodus of kuffars from KSA (Hijaz).

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why not a Saudi scholar came up with such fatwa? khud to aram se paRe hain, hum jeete ji jehnum main jhonk dia

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i will not arguing as it is the same thing we are discussing from many years at this forum.Just wanted to put another way of how some people are looking at things.

Muqawee i gave you another link of a tafseer if i remember correctly. That is a good read as well.

Ali -Fine with this that killing of innocents can never be part of jihad, against murtadeen (as pro TTP muftis think) and khawarij(as pro pak army muftis think). I can name many masajid including masjid of Moulana ameen ullah orakzai in hangu that was bombed by pak airforce martyring this old scholar. My only request is to consider it in complete perspective, killing of innocent civilians/supporting killing of inncoent civilians should not be allowed to any one, and i think scholars should stand up and make this clear .

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They have outsourced their problem to half the Muslim world.

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you know whats the biggest irony of the matter? Our people can't even give bad-dua to them (last resort to an oppressed person) for getting same treatment at their door-steps, as they live in land which is equally sacred to us. Holier than our own land and people of our land pray to die and bury there.