Javed Miandad - GEO TV

I think there may have been another thread on Javed Miandad’s comments on GEO TV. I was watching the same programme on Sunday and listening to his ‘expert’ comments.

He made some good points but some I do not agree with and would like to discuss these here. He seems to be against the idea of having a bowling coach and thinks this has come about as the PCB has realised there is a need for this due to the weakness of the coach.

According to him, no one else has these specialist coaches. He is wrong Australia, England have specialist bowling coaches attached to their senior team. Does this mean that their coaches are weak? There is a trend in international cricket to have a head coach along with specialist coaches these days.

Also, he was boasting how he would spend half-an hour with some of the players each day e.g. Yasir Hammed, Abdul Razak etc to correct their technique. What has gone wrong Yasir Hammed and the other players he had worked with these days?

What difference he would have made to our bowlers as he was not a bowler himself if he was the current coach.

He also seems to be against the idea of technology e.g. laptop computers and made a comment that computer will not tell you how to read a pitch and place a field etc. This comes from the knowledge and understanding of the game.

Yes, he is right but computers are widely used in the game these days for other purposes for example analysis etc. They must be of some use and benefit to the coach otherwise why they would be using them?

I personally feel that he is still bitter of being replaced and any given opportunity he will make a negative statement against the coach. I don’t think he would have made much difference to the current team.

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I disagree, the last statement/ Miandad @ late cut on GEO, he pointed out things exactly what needed to be addressed! his way of saying is a bit different but he was right.

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Nice thread. I would like to reserve my comments until after I view the particular video refered in this matter, but, for starters, to dip my views in on this statement:


That is very true. However, my understanding here is that having a group of desi specialist coaches alongwith relying on a foreign coach as a focal point and a hub stirs up heaps of pent-up emotions from all sides, and parties involved in such matters are not very keen on receiving help from the "outside sources", especially in a case of point where a foreign head coach is leading the team from the front (as he is supposed to) and we have his huge wave of ex-cricketers coming in from behind who want to be in the limelight, stay there for an indefinite period of time and take the torch away from that one person who has worked hard to win it in the first place, and who deserves it the most. At least that is how the thought process from the mind of an individual is geared when dumped in such situations, as mentioned above.

But yes, a general trend in cricket is more and more defining the logic of including specialist coaches of practically all sides of the fence, whether that be the batting department, bowling, fielding, media relations, and team manager e.t.c.

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^^ in light of having specialist then one day we will need a nutrition expert as well and a team to man-handle the team of specialist as well :D

IMO you can have only one coach and the rest are assistant(s) only just to keep them happy you can say they are specialist.

and speaking of coaches, Intikhab Alam was the best coach in Pakistan or may I say the best coach, who coached Pakistan team.

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Why did he not do it during his previous stunts?

Someone tell him that laptop/technology is not used for EVERYTHING in coaching :rolleyes:

yep, completely agree !

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Exactly the first thing that crossed my mind :smiley:

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Laptop and use of technology is not required, to coach a team, if that was the case, according to the job requirement Waqar does not qualify at all as he does not meet the credentials at all. and as for batsmem and their mistakes, Salman butts flashing outside the off-stump, Imran Farhat same habit of throwing/getting out, M. Yousef periscope... and as mentioned yasir hameed..etc you cannot correct them, unless the player himslef apply.

I certainly dont agree that he is bitter at all but if I take your (guys) word for it, lets say maybe he is, its only because of Woolmers contract, he is making 4 times the $$$, he has the full support from PCB chairman, plus his contract is extended towards his spouse as well.

I wonder PCB will ever give this kind of whole hearted support to our own cricketers? Nope I dont think so this will happen and so if he is bitter he has his own right and simply he is only a commentator, an expert opinion at GEO tv, nothing more.

here is a question? will PCB hire a batsmen specialist? certainly not they can't afford to do that because our old good jolly coach will be fired up from top - bottom, Yes Zaheer Abbas is there but only for administrative means, he can pass on the advice here and there but thats about it.

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No body here is suggesting that it is required to be able to operate a laptop :p, but if one can use it to analyse and extract information using technology (Miandad can do using VCR and TV if he "wants" to), can't just say that these are useless tools. Imran Farhat, Taufeeq Umar, Yasir Hameed, Abdul Razzaq they all played while Miandad as coach..... what wonders did we see ???

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Why do you people think stats are used?

Pakis will always remain ......

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^^ like I said earlier, you cannot change the batsman unless they apply and do it themselves, I have prime example of Salman butt once playing against India, he was benched when he was out in the similar way (flashing at a ball outside the off-stump) and we saw this here again in srilanka as well, what wonders has Woolmer done with Mr. Butt?

the wonders he did was atleast he picked the right player for the right spot, openers as openers (names from the above list). and not making middle order player an opener (Shoaib Malik) after many failure and we see him again especially in test match.

As for Razzaq he did well under Miandad as he is doing under woolmer, and as for using tv and other electronic appliances they used it to greater extend, only difference is that we see woolmer with headphones on his laptop outside of the dressing room balcony doesn't mean he is the only one who appreciate technology.:p

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It takes a lot than being a good player and strategist to be a good coach.

Many great coaches have not been great player. Like Rehmat khan or many soccer coaches. Coach not only has to understand what mistake a player is making but also know 'why' he is doing it. He shud be able to read a player's mind.

I am afraid that most of our retired players feel they shud coach the Pakistan team and they think its an easy job. It would be better if they coach domestic teams and prove themselves by preparing young players for national side and then they can claim for being coach of national side.

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Iconclast, I dont mean to be rude, have you played for domestic circuit:confused: I played for Karachi in 1995+ and trust me the so called “parchi” was very strong, things are changing the way we see in Pakistan team, merit is rewarded but I dont believe that domestic circuit is the same.

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acrobi: do you remember the coaching stunt from balcony to Moin Khan ? :hehe:

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Yes I vivdly remember that stunt, and I am sure you did notice the playcard (D/L method) that Uncle Woolmer did, trying to give message to Butt or Malik :smiley:

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^ unfortunately D/L requires "calculations" .... and you know all about education of our "boyz" :D

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yaar thats cricket calculations :D not 1+1 and trust me Inzi and boyz are pretty good at that :)

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acrobi123, very well said. :k:

The effort is lacking, team chemistry that we were used to is not there. The passion, belief and killer instinct that we developed after Australian tour is diminishing. There are several reasons for this, what I can think of is:

  • Useless shuffling of players, especailly openers and first down. I know we are having trouble in this department both in ODI and Test, but the point is there are credible players who can fill the spot. Shoaib Malik is not a Test player, I would consider Asim Kamal, Hasan Raza, Yasir Hameed over him because they appear more specialized and Test oriented than Malik. Due to this, we loose early wickets thus making it hard for the middle order batsmen. They are always under pressure, which is not good. They must have a platform to post a big score rather than always rescuing the team.

  • We have great potential in the bowling department but due to injuries and certain fail forms of our bowlers, we can’t even fill the spot. The consistency is lacking, which is a major let down.

  • The fielding is going down the hill, during the One day series against India we saw our fielders make several mistakes and drop catches and it seems that this trend is taking over.

Someone needs to take control of this team. Inzi won’t because he is can’t, it is coach and mangement’s responsiblity to correct some really important weakness that we still have in our team as quickly as possible before it goes out of hand.

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Anyone up for a change? Well aleast I am...lets sack Inzi and start all over. We can forget about WC 07 lets shoot for WC 2011. :D

My opinion is that its the Captain who makes the difference. People can blame coach but I think coach hardly comes in to play when the match is being played. Its the captain who should know his game and how to use the boys and what action to take...go for kill or play defensive. As far as Bob is concerned I think he is doing a wonderful job with boys but I think its Inzi who needs to be sacked.

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^ I say giveup ODIs completely, just focus on Test matches and Twenty20 and make Mohd Hafeez 20/20 captain :D

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I downloaded the brand new episode (or at least the last one that was posted), and unfortunately, I did not find any discussion regarding the technology-enhancement, or the specialist (bowling) coaches that Rock_Express Bhai has mentioned in the initial post. I believe that version exists in one of the previous episodes. I will dig that up very soon, hopefully.

While viewing the latest continuation in this series, here are my set of related comments -

  1. Javed was dead straight on the money regarding the huge and typical usual occurence of the growth of problems we have been having in recent times, with the invariable decisions being made on virtually daily basis in re-shuffling the opening combination to bits and pieces. Damaging the spirits of the team, such a behavior should come to a complete halt as soon as possible. We definitely cannot afford to live with this dilemma during next year’s World Cup. The truth is, since Inzamam is largely incapable of handling and managing the decisions by himself, it should be now up to the coach and the team management to have their final say on this issue, and persist with a pair of decent openers while providing them with uninterrupted chances so they can further improve their style and technique as well as be able to read each other’s minds more clearly. Shoaib Malik should be thrown out of this equation. Imran Farhat and Salman Butt is the most probable opening combination that we have come across in recent times, with Yasir Hameed being in the secondary position. One of these two pairs should be kept with, and tested for the time being.

  2. I would like to disagree with Javed on his separate distinction that he questioned as to whether or not the team is united and the possibility of chances of all team members playing under a separate identity and diverse role (as independents). I do like to believe, with the shape that our team structure has been in, in recent times, it is very much holding it’s own as a team, regardless of a few inconsistencies in almost every corner, as we touch more on this issue in the next few bullet points.

  3. Absolutely agree on his statement regarding the “unpredictability” stance of our current position. If we don’t have a first-hand clue and strategy on how to set the field placings for a particular batsmen let alone having a tough time to decide the conflict of batting orders and positions, it would be next to impossible to predict our “up-coming” strategies for the World Cup, which is in a direct relation to this inconsistency mentioned just above.

  4. Javed was inclining on raising his voice against Inzamam and suggesting that there should be at least one reasonable voice from the top selection committee (the management) on the day-to-day happenings on the field, and questions should be asked on how the specific circumstances have been dealt with, the tactics of the captain if they feel he is making the wrong choice of decisions. But once again, here in this case, there is very little concern from the above brass (an accountable individual(s)) who are now solely in business of making money, money and more money, (and transfering their gigantic amount of checks to those Habib Bank branches in Pakistan) regardless of a simple thinking of how to induct the correct strategies, and most importantly, how to straighten the mind of a captain.

On another note, how convenient it was for Syed Yahya Hussaini to ask one of the callers (Faisal from Karachi, if I am remember right): “Faisal, yeh batayey gaa kay kiya aap jaldee mein hain?” Very rude, to say the least. Whichever is the case, you are the host of a program possibly watched by thousands if not millions (if they can ever catch that break), and quite simply, Yahya should not have thrown that statement out in a disrespectful and bitter manner, among his other antics, which have been pointed out, in every inch of a detail.

Sidhu from India (with his Ganga Nadee and Khait Bajraa stories), and Yahya from Pakistan. Then we have the likes of Waheed Khan trying to take the place at the top of this list. Rest is best left unsaid.

All in all, I do realize that the team is united and everybody is under one shady pine tree and all that fancy wholesome stuff, but how in God’s forsaken earth are we going to open our minds and let the light shine through? Let me rephrase my sentence; how, and when, will Inzamam realize the fact that his captaincy is absolutely disgusting to watch, say the least (yes, I am being very blunt here), the decisions that he takes and keeps up with lack consistency and very little we have seen the results make their way through the use of campaign that Inzamam has deviced on-the-field, all because of a defensive approach and laid-back attitude of one man where the entire team suffers, and where the result is solely dependent on the heroic knocks of either the batters, the self-confidence of wicket-taking ability and keeping their line and length and straight by the bowlers in their department, or (in a rare circumstances), fielding is above par in very extreme situations, but very hesitantly, I rarely recall an incident where we have gained an upper hand on the opposition and grab them by their throats.

As I indicated previously:

- " Regarding Inzamam being a part of Imran squad back in '92…Fourteen (14) years have gone by; fourteen long and hard years, and look what we are thriving against. Just glance at where we are standing right now, and smell the sand on the ground. Fourteen years of witnessing aggressive captains taking charge from all aspects of modern cricket, and here we have this one soul still playing from that era, who has survived for so long and who hasn’t learnt a thing. If the longitude of the timeline mentioned above is constant (which it is) and fails to budge from it’s pre-historic days, I fail to see how is Inzamam going to start pulling his feet together in less than one year, with World Cup dangling from the ceiling."