In my opinion Ghamidi says a lot of sensible things. If this person is under threat, then there is no future for Pakistan. There is no Islam in Pakistan, only talibans.
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He was teaching in Malaysia - when I met him an year ago in Malaysia - where is he residing thesedays ?
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^^ I like Ghamidi though do not agree to everything he says or write... but this is responsibility of the govt. to impose law and order in the country.. to me govt is only busy playing political games and when govt feels like they create situations.. like Target Killing in Karachi and now the new issue of Blasphemy Law.. which was uncalled for... they could have selected better time.. but law and order and stability is not the things PPP govt is looking into... infact they try to create as much chaos as possible to keep the attention away from their GOVERNANCE issue
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What a sad news 
We drove away a sane voice amongst us.
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The result of growing religious intolerance in our society
And where is Zardari and the government in all this? Should Zardari not have addressed the nation on TV and denounced the killing of Taseer + explained the government’s position on blasphemy i.e. we are only asking for a review of the law to ensure that it is not targeted against certain minorities or misused and abused by people to settle personal scores. Like him or loathe him, Mushy was ‘certainly’ more confident and daring than Zardari…he spoke on BB’s death and also addressed the nation soon after Lal Masjid operation. The operation was right IMO. Only the timing of the operation and the amount of force used can be debated.
The government and the politicians all seem scared sh**. And this is what happens when you do not speak out against obvious jihalat and barbarity
Fatwa against Sherry Rehman
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7836826-fatwa-against-pakistani-information-minister-sherry-rehman
Esteemed ‘ulemah’ strike in defence of persecution.
Lynching Salman Taseer: Social Justice by a ‘pious’ nation.
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/3844/lynching-salmaan-taseer-social-justice-by-a-pious-nation/
Expect more such fatwas to follow
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Ghamdi is the ‘Only’ sensible person left among us to understand basic flaws that we practice without giving much thought !
Unfortunatly Pakistani Muslims have learned well from history to drive all the good away like other Aquams in the history of Islam and its inception !
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We are heading towards choas where the moderate elements of society are choosing exile. This will lead us towards a path where fundamentalists roam the working and middle class districts while the liberals are sequestered in the uber rich enclaves of the city.
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i think its good for us that such kind of phony scholar leaves pakistan ...
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We are heading towards choas where the moderate elements of society are choosing exile. This will lead us towards a path where fundamentalists roam the working and middle class districts while the liberals are sequestered in the uber rich enclaves of the city.
Exactly. It's such a shame.
I found out that he's gone from PAK only few months ago. I was planning on meeting him but i got late :( I wish i can get his email address or something cuz i have some questions i think he can help me with. I have huge respect and admiration for him. He's very knowledgable and yet never comes across with "i know it all don't question me" attitude.
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The secularisation of the Deen and the onset of Capitalism has meant fewer and fewer people who are capable of making a positive difference are moving into positions of ethical education and traditional Islamic studies and opting for materialistic options. Parents throughout the past 50 years have been relegating their dimmer children to the madrasas and their brighter ones to the modern capitalistic establishments.
Then we wonder why our nation is like this ...
Is it a surprise that we have on the whole intolerance amongst the religious and yet understanding amongst the secular/post-modernists?
Such situations give rise to people like Ghamidi and although I disagree with much of what he says his presence is a symptom of the overall problem. We need ulema to discuss these issues and devise plans working with the government to address this situation. Why have we allowed the media at large to hijack the positive image of Islam. A few years back we saw hatred for 'talibanism' and everyone thought the country was losing its grip opting for secular modern lifestyles. In fact the politicians thought this too and to some extent wanted this. Then the recent events which have unfolded have reminded us that Pakistan is indeed a zealous nation. The greatest of admiration for a people who willingly or through fear have stood up against the 'idea' of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW) being defamed.
Why is it that we do not have ulema that show compassion and mercy and teach this concept to the masses? Why are we as a nation bent to draw blood? These are dire times for Pakistan and the way forward is to ease the boundaries of tolerance, until the nation recovers from other injustices. It is obvious that people are being killed for personal vendettas and political motives or for personal gains in the idea of winning favour of Allah (SWT).
Rahma-til-'Alameen (SAW) is a 'Mercy to All Worlds' and the irony in our love we hold for him (SAW) is that we would 'kill' for that love. When we say "jaan qurban hai" this means we lay down our own lives not the lives of others. How easy is it to kill someone, but to stand in the way stopping the fighting and drawing the people towards understanding is the 'real' meaning of this phrase "jaan qurban hai"
Let the judges be the judges and when they pardon or sentence we respect that ... We should neither influence the judicial process not undermine it in any way. We should not bribe the judges nor appoint easily corruptable people. We should respect our authority and execute punishment where it due according to the law. The politicians are scared and the people are raging. The ulema are silent!!! - allowing this continue ...
We need to calm down and have faith in our religion to manage our affairs ... Islam is superior in every way to what we try to appoint in its place ... there is no harm in reviewing the law of apostacy and if dealt with honestly it will remain in place. Laws need to be fair and just and reflect fairness and justice that Islam represents ... as Muslim of Pakistan however we need to do a lot of growing up ...
Its about time that the religious people show how much 'love' is in the Deen ... we've seen enough of the hatred. Dawa can be very effective if we embody an Islamic character ... there would be no way that a non-Muslim living in Pakistan would insult our prophet if we made it our business to teach every Pakistani the Seera and make them admire the personality of the most admirable person of all time (SAW). If we enforce a law and show our anger then this zealousness shows our weakness ... rather we would show how strong we are by influencing the person with kindness and consideration and charity. How many people would actually embrace Islam if we had this approach? When can we say that some of the rahma in RasoolAllah (SAW) has come into our hearts? Yes, if anyone attacks his name (SAW) in public and continues to do so in full mental health and intent for defaming - (and the existing Blasphemy Law requires and intent to be present) - then sentence them to show them our ghaira ... but not by the hands of a member of public, taken to court and ordained by a judicial process. Otherwise we set the premise for anarchy ... fellow Pakistanis don't let your country get out of hand.
Charity is the key ... Embody the love of RasoolAllah by adopting his character (SAW).
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The secularisation of the Deen and the onset of Capitalism has meant fewer and fewer people who are capable of making a positive difference are moving into positions of ethical education and traditional Islamic studies and opting for materialistic options. Parents throughout the past 50 years have been relegating their dimmer children to the madrasas and their brighter ones to the modern capitalistic establishments.
It probably has to do with 'no more ijtihad', from most people's understanding religion is something you can learn by 'rattafication' and that it is a 'no-brainer' field.
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We are heading towards choas where the moderate elements of society are choosing exile. This will lead us towards a path where fundamentalists roam the working and middle class districts while the liberals are sequestered in the uber rich enclaves of the city.
Already happened. Rest of the humans are moving to other countries. People with brains should get up and form small scale armed groups to root out the extremists in their area's. Sounds like a great idea... oh i am genius .. i know i know !
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The secularisation of the Deen and the onset of Capitalism has meant fewer and fewer people who are capable of making a positive difference are moving into positions of ethical education and traditional Islamic studies and opting for materialistic options. Parents throughout the past 50 years have been relegating their dimmer children to the madrasas and their brighter ones to the modern capitalistic establishments.
oh Bahi, yeh sorry first "peace"
secularization of the deen & the onset of capitalism are the conspiracy of infidels & Jews. I thought we have enough of the ethical education & traditional Islamic studies students, you can see examples around us - well most of them are walking zombies anyway.
We are in this gutter not because of last 50 years ... it goes far back.... far far back.. !
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wrong, we wonder why whole ummah is like this.
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I enjoyed listening to him.
He will be back when Ret. (G) Musharraf returns to power.
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Terrific, but what Ret. (G) Musharraf has to do with Ghamidi leaving the country? Or you thought i was referring to Imran Bahi becoming Prime Minister? 
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^ he was 'promoted' during Mushy era for "moderate Islam'.
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the ghamdi-version of islam is yet another attempt along the lines of pervaiziyat and inkar-e-hadees. there are so many places where ulema-deen (irrespective of which sect they belonged to) rejected most of his concepts and the meanings he tries to propagate. and unfortunately the victim of this man (and alike) is our educated lot which is far away from religion...
this man never had courage to hold a munazira with any authentic aalim to get his point of view any weight among the masses. and as captian1 said, he was promoted during the mush era, he always tried to inject secularism into deen, twist and distort basic shaar-e-islam, and further intensified the division of moderate-islam and fundamentalist-islam as if there really is something like that...
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the ghamdi-version of islam is yet another attempt along the lines of pervaiziyat and inkar-e-hadees. there are so many places where ulema-deen (irrespective of which sect they belonged to) rejected most of his concepts and the meanings he tries to propagate. and unfortunately the victim of this man (and alike) is our educated lot which is far away from religion...
this man never had courage to hold a munazira with any authentic aalim to get his point of view any weight among the masses. and as captian1 said, he was promoted during the mush era, he always tried to inject secularism into deen, twist and distort basic shaar-e-islam, and further intensified the division of moderate-islam and fundamentalist-islam as if there really is something like that...
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So whats wrong with 'Secularism' ? or sharing equal rights for the masses living in Pakistan you want to brand it as 'Secularism' ? then what are the alternate brands ?
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and therefore deserves to be threatened and harassed out of the country 
what sound logic. My way is the right way. You better believe it or i’ll make sure you do.
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So whats wrong with 'Secularism' ? or sharing equal rights for the masses living in Pakistan you want to brand it as 'Secularism' ? then what are the alternate brands ?
secularism may be the choice for equal rights for you, but for me, islam has more logical and natural balance of rights among its followers as well as who do not follow. and trying to preach secularism in disguise of his version of islam is not the only thing, he tried to distort known and accept practices and norms of islam. couple of months ago i had posted few rebuttals, actually complete books, written by ulema karam, about whats wrong with his concept, you will be able to find that in religion forum.