I came across a paper that I found in my dad’s room, given to him by some tabilighi Jamat member against Javed Ahmed Ghamidi. It was written in Urdu, and to me their evidences were out of context. I fail to understand why he is criticized so extremely. I have watched his show regularly, and read a few of his articles and found him to be making complete sense, and he is one scholar I turn to if I have any religious conflicts/issues. So why all the criticism that people or some were religious fellows think that he is creating his on religion and is not a muslim? Yea he is not your average long bearded, green turban, traditional scholar, I admit.
Here is a link to a forum where the completely used his words out of content and presented it in the worst form possible. Some people claim that he is a conspiracy of AMRIKA AND THE YAHOODS :smack: Fitna of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi
Persons like Javed Ahmed Ghamidi thrive through a sense of “democratic” Islam … A free for all ‘scholar’ because he speaks the language that people of this day and age ‘like’ to hear …
As Muslims who want to seriously pursue the Islamic truth we must acknowledge the role of scholarly ijma’ … it is the third authority in Islam …
Qur’an, Sunnah and Ijma’ of Scholars … We cannot look to individual scholars and choose their opinion over the consensus opinions … also different scholars are authorised by other scholars to transmit knowledge and understanding of various topics. If there are opinions he has that the majority of scholars do not agree with, then even if you feel his opinion is good … it does not mean that it is necessarily correct.
He does not give the right of the tradition of Islam of ijaza the one that is due … and many other scholars are similar … the result is even more varied opinions become presented to people and we then become confused …
I get what your saying, but his views have some great explanation/reasoning behind it. And if it makes sense then how is it wrong? Everything he says is backed up with valid words of Quran and the historic period being kept in mind. I want to see some good explanations of why he is wrong.
Also Psyah, I am not one of those who believe that if majority agree than it has to be right. Maybe I over think, But a good explanation is what always satisfies me, most other scholars never have a satisfying valid explanation.
Well I like some of his views. He is free to exercise his right of ijtehad. Who knows, there might be scholarly consensus, if there is such a thing, on Ghamadi’s version of Islam too one day!
Thats the exact thing, people are now accusing him of creating his own religion, which he is not. He has his own views, but he definitely isn’t creating his own religion.
If that is so then Ghamidi is the “scholar” for you … I did already explain … this modern day and age has given people a sense of importance in their own understandings. So people like Ghamidi appeal to people who have a sense of self-worth in their own logic and understandings.
It is not to say I don’t give worth to my own understandings - I do… but I use my logic and reasoning to conform to traditions and I do not have a “new” way to think about things. Just a “new” way to understanding the same things of the past explanations. As intelligent as we think we are … we should never consider ourselves more intelligent than years and years of research and culminated knowledge of scholary works being passed through traditions.
But who am I to tell you that? If you think Ghamidi is better for you then that is the choice you have every right to make … I have made my selection of scholars based on what I have gathered to be upright and good in them.
The scholars of my choice are:
Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi
Shaykh Gibril Haddad
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
Shaykh Nu Ha Meem Keller
Shaykh Zaid Shakir
Shaykh Yahya Rhodus
Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
Shaykh Faisal Abdul-Razzaq
Shaykh Ninowi
Notice how none of them are Pakistani? However, for fiqh matters there are many Pakistani and Indian scholars I can take from.
What I look for is:
a) Character and attraction
b) Knowledge that is pertinent to the day
c) A desire to respect and honour scholars of the past
d) Established sanad of ijaza (authenticity and permissions to transmit understandings)
a) and d) outweigh every other requirement for me … it is because I cannot assess knowledge of scholars because in order to do so I would have to have more knowledge than them … and I cannot see how respect is being attributed to scholars either and which scholars are part of the accepted chains are also part of the knowledge of history that I do not claim to have either.
There have been a few topics that he has commented on that generally go against certain aqeedah principles. His focus is on a common sense approach to life, from what I have seen. However I believe people who agree with him and accept him are comparing him with the “Pakistani representatives /religious-political stooges, dabba-peers and diesel molvis” rather than looking worldwide at the global arena of scholars.
Watch this video … If you want a short cut then forward it to time: 7:45 and listen until the end … you can then see who is presenting the fuller argument …
The point is that common sense is not always correct … fitrat is not common sense either - it is “the natural way” … and when humanity systematically through time alters its habits away from the natural way then even very unnatural things will seem to be common sense.
I just fail to see anything unislamic in anything he says…especially if he is backing it up with Quran and hadith. Of course human nature will change. I agree with your logic.
In fact im interested in what he says that people are so infuriated about…Anyone have any videos of him being controversial?
Love for all - Hatred for None … This is your slogan … so use it … Rather than deeming us as a drowing people or a stagnant people merely “waiting” - see that such a notion is not true at all.
We do not wait for the coming of Isa (AS) we work to making life good and try to improve ourselves … We are not anticipating the second coming at the expense of our daily duties, social and religious … I can’t believe you can think that about us … knowing what you know about us. Talking about differences or debating about Isa (AS) occupies an insignificant amount of our time on a daily basis. Rather it only comes into question when we discuss matters with you.
Most of our lives we try to spend getting right with Allah (SWT), failing and getting back up to try again.
The thread on Fard-ul-Ayn and others should demonstrate this enough to you.
You misunderstood my point STA.