salam alaikum bigboi, i tried watching what you posted till the 8th minute at which point the editing became so bad i had to stop watching
theres been many scholars alot more knowledgeable then mirza ghulam qadiani, none of whom claimed prophethood. and if you insist someone as average as mirza to be a prophet then theres a case for imams hanifa, bukhari, muslim to be some super prophets (naudhubillah) whom your prophet had to go to for knowledge.
prophethood is finished and anyone who claims prophethood is a liar
there is room for revivers of the faith, however ghulam qadianis lies exclude him from being followed and from what ive seen he just surfing around tensions in the deen anyway, sometimes shia got there before him by centuries
In a weird sort of way Mirza Ghulam Ahmed did help revive Islam ... his presence made everyone at the time realise that they were out of touch and that they needed to brush up ... His presence made many groups unify against him ... and reignite the scholarly ways in the subcontinent - that were increasingly becoming sidelined for modernism.
so the credit goes to the means? If whatever you said it true, then he was only the means.
In a weird sort of way Mirza Ghulam Ahmed did help revive Islam ... his presence made everyone at the time realise that they were out of touch and that they needed to brush up ... His presence made many groups unify against him ... and reignite the scholarly ways in the subcontinent - that were increasingly becoming sidelined for modernism.
Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi
Shaykh Gibril Haddad
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf
Shaykh Nu Ha Meem Keller
Shaykh Zaid Shakir
Shaykh Yahya Rhodus
Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad
Shaykh Faisal Abdul-Razzaq
Shaykh Ninowi
Psyah, do you agree with every single opinion of the above people in the various matters of religion? and do you think that even they will all agree with each other on most if not all of the matters of religion?
There are many scholars who make a lot of sense and back up there comments with Quran and Hadith but it doesn't means one who back with these true is 100% correct. What is good take it what is wrong leave it. My idea is if one scholar back up his saying with support of Quran and Hadith only for worldly affairs that that scholar in my view is suspicious.
Psyah, do you agree with every single opinion of the above people in the various matters of religion? and do you think that even they will all agree with each other on most if not all of the matters of religion?
I have not been talking about "all" matters of religion so why have you invoked this non-argument? I have been talking about fundamental beliefs of the Ahl-us-Sunnah ...
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was the only one debating the Christians and the Arya Samaj. Prophethood in sense of law giving Prophethood is gone, but not the Prophethood such as the one of Jesus (as), Abraham (as), Isaak (as) etc. Strange that the liar had not been cut from the root, but kept on growing through the entire earth. It was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) who made the wakeup call…
ghamadi is one of the few people who make sense and backs up what he says from the quran. therefore, he must be a kafir. that's because muslims, in general, are allergic to rationality.
... that's because** muslims, in general, are allergic to rationality**.
qiyas is alot lower down the list of Muslims. as Psyah has mentioned in the other thread we follow 1. (Quran, Prophet SAW) 2.(companions RA , concensus, if a matter was still unresolved abit of qiyas was then used to decipher rulings from other rulings.)
this is what the Quran commands
and from it we have the complete Deen, as mentioned by Allah SWT in the Quran
and it is more rational then the rationalists considering they rationalise to claim to believe in the revelation then arrive at their own desires anyway
qiyas is alot lower down the list of Muslims. as Psyah has mentioned in the other thread we follow 1. (Quran, Prophet SAW) 2.(companions RA , concensus, if a matter was still unresolved abit of qiyas was then used to decipher rulings from other rulings.)
this is what the Quran commands
and from it we have the complete Deen, as mentioned by Allah SWT in the Quran
and it is more rational then the rationalists considering they rationalise to claim to believe in the revelation then arrive at their own desires anyway
You have a complete Deen, but need Isa* (as) ibn-e-Maryam to kill the swine and break the Cross!?! Very rational.
You have a complete Deen, but need Isa* (as) ibn-e-Maryam to kill the swine and break the Cross!?! Very rational.
*Jesus
yes we have the complete deen, and no i do not need Isa ibn Maryam Alaihis salam to kill the swine and break the cross. Allah SWT has saved me from such a need.
to tell you straight up, Isa AS does not figure in MY deen except recognition of his status and beliefs about him which are future prophecies from RasoolAllah SAW. however i understand that in your community, atleast in religious talks, Isa AS figures very prominently.
from our view please understand that deen islam does not encourage waiting for messiah, we have the deen by which to live our lives by. if we do that then come the day of Judgement we may receive mercy from Allah SWT and be admitted to Heaven. and if we are present around the end times our deen will safegaurd us concerning our actions and identification of dajjal(s). but we are not waiting for these events to happen.
Brother don't get me wrong, but this all is vain talk. I think, we have given enough proof. I leave this case to Allah. If we Ahmadi are wrong, may Allah guide us to the right path. If you are wrong, may Allah guide you to the Truth. Ameen.
ive not seen any proof from your village project, just rejection of ISLAM. for example i see the theft of virtues of Prophets AS and SAW. and i see rejection of Quran ayats for a very meager, cheap purpose. lots of not so nice things. thats whats been proven to me
these are disabilities we are going to have to work around, that is if you still hold the confidence of the other brothers, and you still want to discuss Islam around us. remember what they advised you in your 'one' thread, they said stick to similarities to avoid unwanted back and forth arguements/fitna. that was a well balanced and fair view
i'll go a step further and invite you to come see Islam through our eyes but it'll take time
ive not seen any proof from your village project, just rejection of ISLAM. for example i see the theft of virtues of Prophets AS and SAW. and i see rejection of Quran ayats for a very meager, cheap purpose. lots of not so nice things. thats whats been proven to me
these are disabilities we are going to have to work around, that is if you still hold the confidence of the other brothers, and you still want to discuss Islam around us. remember what they advised you in your 'one' thread, they said stick to similarities to avoid unwanted back and forth arguements/fitna. that was a well balanced and fair view
i'll go a step further and invite you to come see Islam through our eyes but it'll take time
*Blatant lies and assupmtions. I don't want to see your Islam. Thank You.
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