Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

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:)
try to study him with open eyes
jis baat ko wo sahi samjtey hain as you said
does'nt mean that , that thing is true in islam as well

bush bi apney app ko sahi samjhta hay , mush bi apney app ko sahi islam per samjhata hay , both kehtay haan key wohi research scholars haan

just grow up , you will inshallah understand what is true and what is wrong
and i have never said key meray pass ilm hay , i am just a student
ghamdi apney app ko scholar manwana chata hay that shows his ignorance :), we not , we are just student

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as u said that u have no knowledge of islam u r just a student, i also said exactly the same. but the thing is eik admi apni baat dalail ke sath keh raha hai tum bhi us ko us ki baat per dalail do koi eik baat uthao or phir us per dalail ke sath tankeed karo. aen bain shain karne ya kisi ko kafir, bush, ya mush kahne se koi baat ya masla hal nahi ho jata.
mein ne un ko direct suna hai woh jo baat kehte hain karte hain or eik aam admi ka kam bhi yeahi hai ke woh jis ko theik samajhta hai us ke dalail deta hai or eik musalman ka kam bhi yeahi hai, woh jawab deh bhi usi ke liye hai.
islam ko samjho woh kiya demand karta hai.
her admi ko apni baat dalail ke sath kehne ka haq hai ab agar us ki baat tumhe ghalat lagti hai tu us ko apne dalail do magar koi bhi fasla karne ka haq deen ke mutaliq sirf Khuda ko hasil hai. woh kiyamat ke roz fasla kar de ga ke kon ghalat tha or kon sahi tha, kon kafir tha or kon pervaizi is ka haq tumhe kis ne diya hai.
eik musalman ko yeah shewa nahi deta ke woh suni sunai baatoon per kisi ke mutaliq na sirf yeah ke rae de balqe dosroon ko bhi is ki talkeen kare.
ap ko khuda ki taraf se jo haq diya gaya hai woh sirf dalail ke sath apni baat kehne ka hai.

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thanx and i am proud to be a student of islam

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but the thing is eik admi apni baat dalail ke sath keh raha hai tum bhi us ko us ki baat per dalail do koi eik baat uthao or phir us per dalail ke sath tankeed karo.

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we always do this
jo bi dalail Quran o Hadees sey dey ga , we agree with him
and jo bi apni bey tuki dalaey apni pasand and na pasand per day ga , we not agree with him
for us the criteria is Quran o Hadees

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aen bain shain karne ya kisi ko kafir, bush, ya mush kahne se koi baat ya masla hal nahi ho jata.

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apni pasand ya napasand sey koi cheeze islamic bi naeen ho jati
my dear friend

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mein ne un ko direct suna hai woh jo baat kehte hain karte hain or eik aam admi ka kam bhi yeahi hai ke woh jis ko theik samajhta hai us ke dalail deta hai or eik musalman ka kam bhi yeahi hai, woh jawab deh bhi usi ke liye hai.
islam ko samjho woh kiya demand karta hai.

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dalail must be from Quran o Hadees if you are talking for some islamic matter
it doesn't have any solid background if some one say , this looks good to me so islamic and this doesn't look to me so its not islamic
this is stupidness and nothing else
app ney just ghamdi ko suna hay
my brother
my humble advice to you is that , go and buy his books and check that out with Quran o hadees , there are many things that are totally against them

we are not blind believers key jo bi utt ker apney app ko islamic scholar kehnay lagey and tashreeain kernay lagey apney dil sey , to us ki baat ko man lain . before checking anyone we must have to check his dalail from Quran o Hadees , and surely Ghamdi fails in that , go and check

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her admi ko apni baat dalail ke sath kehne ka haq hai ab agar us ki baat tumhe ghalat lagti hai tu us ko apne dalail do magar koi bhi fasla karne ka haq deen ke mutaliq sirf Khuda ko hasil hai.

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bahi jao ja ker check kero , kis ko tv per , her channel per azadi hay and kis ko ban ker dia gia hay
check out , ghammdi is on every tv channel
and Dr Israr Ahmad is ban on ptv and mostly other pakistani tv channel
why because , he is presenting the truth of islam and he with support of Ahmadies and other is now on every tv channel to currupt islam

we have given our dalail go and study , we only give dalail in islamic matters from Quran o Hadees not from on our own

and in last fasla kernay ka haq Allah ney hamain Quran o Hadees key through dia hay , who ever goes against these , he will surely be on wrong path

grow up my brother , your all arguments are childish

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woh kiyamat ke roz fasla kar de ga ke kon ghalat tha or kon sahi tha, kon kafir tha or kon pervaizi is ka haq tumhe kis ne diya hai.
eik musalman ko yeah shewa nahi deta ke woh suni sunai baatoon per kisi ke mutaliq na sirf yeah ke rae de balqe dosroon ko bhi is ki talkeen kare.

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same message for you
go and study Ghamdi , you will surely understand

and my advice to you
key apney childish behaviour ko badlo , grow up
larney ka koi faida naeen
and i will not answer you more
ager meri baatain tum ko buri lagain to
sorry from my self
but again my advice for you
instead of doing "SHAKSIAT PARASTI" go and check the teachings of Ghamdi and compare them with Quran o Hadees , inshallah Allah will help you

sorry again if you have mind any of my talk

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Check all ur imams books with quran u will clearly see tht they hve putted their culture and their zartarash practice with islam aur in k sath sath nasrani yahoodi essai bhi sath sath chalay hadees garh garh ke muhammad pbuh k naam k sath mansoob kar de.Soochooo Imam abu hanifa nay 600000 hadees jama ke aur 99% se zada reject kar dain andaza kar loo ke hadees garhnay ka kaisa fitna chala tha is hi period main Muslim Umma firqaoo main baat gaye yea darwazay in imamoo nay open kiye ek baat bhi dalil aur elim o burhan k rooh se accept nahi ke jaa sakty.Quran ka ejaz daikhoo itny knowledge and advancement ke baad bhi Kainaat ka elim aur tahqeeq os tanha poori nahi hooty jis tanha quran insaan se karwana chah raha hai.Woh insaan ko is manzil e maqsoood taak poochana chah raha hai aur hazart e insaan sirf Ghair Allah ke taqlid main laaga hooa hai.Jaab kisi imam ke koi baat ghalaat hooty hai Mullah kahdaytay hai ke yea hadees zaif hai.Kia hazoor ka koi call bhi kainaat aur quran ke ejaz kay khilaf bhi hoo sakta hai.bilkul nahi Yahaan mulalooo ko yea nazar nahi ata ke woh deen main tafarqa daal rahi hai kion muslim umaa say nahi kahtay ke quran per tahqeeq karoo yea sab imam insaan hi thai in ke baatain aaj ke waqt k hisaab se prove nahi hooty.Muslim umaa ko quran per tahqeeq kar ke khud os manzil e maqsood taak poochna chiye. Lakin jaab koi sirf quran k baat karta hai wohraan is per kufar ka fatwa jari kar daitay hai.Kion ke woh OS Allah ko maantay hi nahi jo quran pash kar raha hai tu is se darain gaye kaisay.

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really funny , kitnay mazakiay ho tum , you are really a good joker
you say , you follow quran , but you deny at the same time

you say that only Quran is the revelation of Allah swt and no other revelation from Allah comes to Hazoor PBUH ie in your opinion , ahadees are not revelations

then my dear brother
i challenge you to give the answer

002.143
YUSUFALI: Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.

in this verse Allah is ordering muslims to change Qibla from bait ul muqadas to bait ul haram ie khana kaba
and he (Allah ) is saying that he appointed the first Qibla before

but my question / challenge to you my dear brother
just go and find out the verse where Allah had said to face first Qibla ie bait ul muqadas during prayer .
you will never find this verse , because this is not in Quran although Allah is saying that he appointed that , and it was not by Hazoor PBUH himself

this clearly shows that there are other revelations by Allah to Hazoor PBUH other then Quran as well
and you know what were those. thoes where Ahadees, guidence by Allah

and my one more question
there is no mention of what to recite in nimaz in Quran then how do you offer nimaz
do you recite what do you wish , or do you follow some thing

and my third question to you
you reject quran by rejecting Ahadees
why because you don't follow Rasool Allah by rejecting Ahadees
whereas it is clear cut mention in the Quran in various places to follow Allah and follow Rasool
and these verses are also a prove that Allah had saved Quran o Hadees both
because if Allah have not saved Ahadees then this part of the Quran follow Rasool would automatically become wrong

i hope you understand

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sir till now u r unable to give me even a single example of Ghamidi's thought which against the law of the Quran.
Now u should grow give any one example. i will answer u.

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Before this , i had made my mind to not to answer to you
because your behaviour is not of listening but of fighting
but then i thought you are my muslim brother going on wrong path due to that Ghamdi , and its my duty to tell you the truth
so i am again trying my try

Brother if some scholar is coming on media and gaining attention that doesnt mean he is a “respectable scholar” or “even a scholar”. Just knowing arabic and quoting from Quran + Hadith doesnt make you a scholar. About ghamidi sahab, he and his group is merely an extension to ahmedi’s and Qayadianis with a little improvement. He is just trying to westernize islam (Dr. israr said this sentence OPENLY in his recent lecture in india on behalf or IRF platform). I will quote a few examples here ..

  1. He declared Music Halal which is directly against Hadith. But hey wait a minute. He dont believe in Hadith at all. I forgot to mention that he is “Munker-e-Hadees”.

  2. Halal haram can only be based upon Quran. What the hell happened to Hadith now?. Mind you, ahmedis and Qadiyanis hold the same view.

  3. Second coming of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is a myth even if there are “70+ Hadith on this matter”. He simply DENIES Hadith. Again i would like to mentioned that Qadiyani and Ahmadis hold this opinion.

  4. No concept of Hijab in Islam (why i smell western touch here?). All the scholars from the past 1500 were piece of crap who said that its “fard” in shariah. (which i will INSHAHALLAH write an article soon on the base of Quran + Hadith. INSHAHALLAH)

  5. People can take loan on interest (See how compatible Islam is with the western banking?).

  6. No problem with the intermingling of sexes (He is quoting islam here or president musharaf i have no idea).
    A women can lead mix congregational prayer, no problem with that. Amina wadud did a great job in PROVING to the west the islam is not BACKWARD. (For the life of me do tell me whom are we trying to please. Lord of Muhammad (PBUH) that is ALLAH or Lord of secular scholars that is USA?)

brother i just gave you a few examples which “I will request you personally to do DETAIL research on all or some of the above mentioned issues and do inform us about your findings and conclusion”. Here he is not only Denied hadees but also Quranic ayat but saying that thoes are only for Hazoor PBUH time what a stupid exuse.

Brother in Islam and the difference of OPINION is based upon different Interpretation of Quran + Hadith but if someone denies Hadith and try to wrongly interpret Quran then his/her opinion is “NOT AN OPINION” because its NOT ISLAM even. Ghamidi and people like him hold no weight in their opinion because they “Deny Hadees” (Munker-e-Hadees) and present Quranic Ayat in wrongly manners.

i hope you will understand
take care
ALLAH HAFIZ

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Akhir mein eik request kabhi bhi kisi ke mutaliq rae kaim karne se pehle us ko parhna or sunana behad zaroori hota magar kisi bhi ta'asub se balatar ho kar. kiyon ke ap ne jitni bhi batein kahi hain yeah sab woh riumers hain jo society mein gardish kar rahe hai.koi baat koi hawala ap aesa nahi de sake jis mein un ki kisi tehreer ya taqreer shamil ho. or phir ap koi shoti baat nahi kar rahe eik admi koi ahmedi or pervaizi, or munkare hadees karar de rahe hain yeah koi mamoli baat nahi hai ap ko khuda ke hazoor is ke liye jawab de hona hai or wahan bhi is ki koi tojeeh biyan karni hai. so plz read him and listen him and after that if u think that he is wrong then its ok. but u have no right to say someone kafir or somthing else, yeah haq sirf khuda ke pas hai. hum sab musalman hain or hame sirf apni baat samjhane or dalail ke sath wazeh karne ka haq hai is ziyada nahi.
agar koi baat buri lage tu mazrat khowa hon.

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The first thing i would like to tell u is what ghamidi sb. says about hadees. his openion is that Quran is the only sorce which is directaly from God and is altimate in making decisions. For example he says that we obey hadees but on the grounds of Quran means hadees can explane quran but can't make somthing new in islam. so he is not ignoring hadees he has givin his openion many times and most important thing is he is continuously teaching and orgnaising Dars of hadees sine last 30 years and it is available on dvds, and cd now. so try to listen him it would be help full.
now i will answer ur questions one by one but first i would recomend u to watch the programe he did with Dr. Israr on aaj tv which is in two cds and four prgms. Dr.Israr could not be able to answer even a single question of him.
Q&a:
1. A complete monthly journal of him is published on an arytical which is writen by his student on music, have u read that. us me unhon ne tamam dalail ko ikhata kar diya hai Quran, hadees or sunna ki roshani mein.
u r talking about hadees if u remeber that one time hazrat Ayesha ne Huzoor(pbuh) ko bahar ae hoe performrs ko sunane or dekhane ko kaha tu an hazrat(pbuh) ne un ko masjid-e-nabwi mein bula kar un ko woh sunwaya.
ghamidi sahib ne mosiki ko halal kar nahi diya balke woh kehte hain yeah haram halal ka masla nahi hai balke masla yeah hai ke har cheez ke ache or bure dono pehlo hote hain achi saf sutri chairi ya mosiki sunane mein koi haraj nahi hai kharabi yahan se peda hoti hai jab ap us mein velgar or behoda chezeen shamil kar dete hain.
misal ke tor per ap mujhe bata ke agar mosiki haram hai tu aaj kal tu log natein tak music ke sath perh rahe hain tu ap kaheen ge ke ho naozobilla nait ko haram ke sath mila kar per rahe hai.

  1. haram or halal per bhi shyad ap ne un ki kitab khuro nosh nahi parhi orna ap yeah baat na kehte is mein tu un ka moqif wohi hai jo hamare takreeban tamam purane aqbreen ka hai. plz us ko per lein phir is per baat karein ge.

  2. yahan phir ap ghalati kar rahe hain woh is hadees ko phir quran per parakhte hai ap mujhe batao ke itni aham baat or Quran khamoos yeah kese ho sakta hai.

  3. phir ghalat ap is per bhi un ki katab parheen un ne tamam sawalat ke na sirf jawab diye hain balke apni baat dalail se sabit bhi ki hai. un ka kehna yeah hai ke quran mein kaheen parde ka lafz nahi istamal kiya balke jahan bhi baat ki hai tu mard-o-awrat ke baham milne ke adab ki baat ki hai. yani jab do do ghair mehram mard-o-awrat milein tu un ko kiya karna chahiye. is mein woh char cheezeen biyan karte hain jo quran se sabit hain. so plz woh bhi parh lein ap phir is per coment karein.

  4. bhai woh yeah nahi keh rahe un ka kehna yeah hai ke loan jo abmi le raha hai zahir hai apni ki intihai majbori ki wajah se le raha hai, tu is liye agar koi us per intrest le raha hai tu zulm woh kar raha hai, is liye loan lene wala ka kiya taluq. tu woh is ko bilqul halal nahi karar dete balke majbori ki halat mein liye hoe pese per intrest per woh kehte hain ke shyad allah maf kar de ap mujhe batao ke majboori main haram khane ke cheez halal kis usool ke tehat ho jati hai. eik admi majboor hai tu woh kiya kare ga. tu is liye daine wala zalim hai na ke leine wala.

  5. ap mujhe awrat ke namaz na parhane ke hawale se koi ayat koi hadees bata dein mein ap ki bat man loan ga.

Akhir mein eik request kabhi bhi kisi ke mutaliq rae kaim karne se pehle us ko parhna or sunana behad zaroori hota magar kisi bhi ta'asub se balatar ho kar. kiyon ke ap ne jitni bhi batein kahi hain yeah sab woh riumers hain jo society mein gardish kar rahe hai.koi baat koi hawala ap aesa nahi de sake jis mein un ki kisi tehreer ya taqreer shamil ho. or phir ap koi shoti baat nahi kar rahe eik admi koi ahmedi or pervaizi, or munkare hadees karar de rahe hain yeah koi mamoli baat nahi hai ap ko khuda ke hazoor is ke liye jawab de hona hai or wahan bhi is ki koi tojeeh biyan karni hai. so plz read him and listen him and after that if u think that he is wrong then its ok. but u have no right to say someone kafir or somthing else, yeah haq sirf khuda ke pas hai. hum sab musalman hain or hame sirf apni baat samjhane or dalail ke sath wazeh karne ka haq hai is ziyada nahi.
agar koi baat buri lage tu mazrat khowa hon.

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shaksiat parasti key siwa kuch nazar naeen aya in jowabat main

go and study again with open eyes
i have heard and read him many times

my humble request is that go and study them again and match with Quran o Hadees , inshallah Allah will guide you

take care

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lol what this thread is still going? what subjects have you guys touched upon between pages 1-6???

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none

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No body wants to discuss but just to blow his own trumpet.

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Ap ab bhi koi misal nahi paish kar sake. shakhsiyat parasti ise kehte hai. mein tu ap se isi liye keh raha haon ke koi misal dein ho sakta hai mein ap ki baat maan loon.

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Sorry guys, it is a bit off the topic, as I can't send private messages (my posts are less than 25). MKF! I sent you an email. I haven't received your answer. Can you please check your email inbox again or remove any filter, which might be blocking the emails. Thanks!

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landaleav i have checked and gone to the address as well. i am not sure how can i help you there. But i have some spare time these days so i can definitely help.

send me the mail on [email protected]

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Rather than doing aain bainn shainn. if you are on truth than accept the challenge and see those CDs and answer what your mentor has not been able to do so.

Go and study Islam, do not work on conjectures.

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I’ve sent you the email. Hope to receive a positive response. Jaza Kallah!

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i have already challenged to you , Ghamdi followers and other ahadees rejectors to prove that ahadees are not revelations

and you people have done aain bainn shain and jump from thoes threads and start rejecting ahadees in other threads