Javed Ahmed Ghamdi

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I like Javed Ghamidi. I watch his program on AAJ and Geo. He makes a lot of sense to me. His program on Geo comes at 8:00PM on friday's and on AAJ TV at 11:15 on Sunday's. He replies to people's queries on AAJ on Sundays. Apparently he is popular with the public. Thats why he is the most well known scholar on the Pakistani channels.

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If someone wants to see a debate between Javed Ghamidi and Dr. Israr Ahmad on Islamic state and Jihad, he can download from here: http://tv-almawrid.org/vd/13_islamic_state_01.zip

It is interesting to see that Ghamidi knows alot more about our classical jurisprudence than revivalists like Israr Ahmad and I think people will see alot of catch 22s in arguments of Dr. Israr. From my trivial understanding after watching several sittings of Ghamidi with other scholars, I feel that it is difficult for most contemporary scholars to discuss with Ghamidi on hardcore issues like Jihad, when he has firm grip on Muslim scholarly history and their knowledge.

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Bin Adam

Of all the debate going on killing of apostates and presentation of Quranic verses i have just few observations

Most of the presented ayats start from "but". this shows that you have to read them to make the complete understanding. Please do so and let us know what you think.

Order for Hazrat Musa are not shariat for Ummat e Muhammadi. Please be clear. there were many orders which were later nullified.

I understand that Ghamadee may go overboard sometimes but what you are professing is also not correct. You have to settle on some middle course.

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The Qur'an presents general statement about all Messengers (Rasul in Arabic, which is a special title given to only a few prophets) that they always prevail.

The Almighty has ordained: ‘I and My Messengers shall always prevail’. Indeed Allah is Mighty and Powerful. (58:20-1)

From this Ghamidi concludes that adversaries of Messengers have to be punished. In case of Musa (as) and Prophet Muhammad (sws), nations were punished by the believers who were true on the right path. Bible says about killing of worshippers of Golden calf:

He said to them, "This is what the LORD God of Israel says: Each of you put on your sword. Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, and kill your relatives, friends, and neighbors." Exodus 32:27

Just compare this with following Qur'anic verse:

Then when the sacred months after the Hajj] have passed, kill these Idolaters wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. 9:5

Prophet Muhammad is foretold in Torah, and the main sign is that this Prophet will be like Moses. As Torah says:

*I [God] will raise up for them a prophet like you [Moses] from among their brethren"; ( Deuteronomy 18:18) *

This is one of the very strong arguments in the support of the fact that this is Prophet Muhammad, who was referred here in Deuteronomy *whose nation was punished by his own companions just like Moses' (as) nation was punished by his true followers. *

I'm just quoting for the sake of record that this reference in Torah cannot be for Jesus (as) as when Jesus was asked if he was Elias and he said "no". Then, in apparent reference to Deuteronomy 18:18, they asked him "art thou that Prophet" and he answered, "no". (John 1:19-21)

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Well, I asked the same question to you that if all these Ahkaam are related to Prophet Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam and Sahabah only then why you pray facing Ka'bah because this verse is also addressing Sahabah only and you still can pray facing Masjid al Aqsa, as that verse of the change of Qiblah doesn't apply on you.

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I don't know how you are combining Zulqarnain (as) with Jihad of Musa (as).
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Just asking if Thil Qarnain was a Prophet or a Companion of a Sahabi?
Because he did punish people through Qitaal.

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This is the most weakest argument, I've read so far. These were Sahaba who were actually asked to change the Qibla. We are not being asked to change Qibla. Maybe if you want to change Qibla one more time, it is upto you.
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You are ignoring my question and trying to flee. The verse of change of Qiblah doesn't apply on you as this addresses Sahabah only, and so you shouldn't act upon it.

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I don't know if you are joking, or you've really haven't understood it. Qur'an is telling that these People of the Book know the truth (about Islam and Prophet Muhammad) just like they know their sons. How can it be applied to modern people. I know first handedly that there are many Christians in western world who donot even know that Muslims consider Muhammad (sws) as prophet or God. I admire at your daring claims.
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lol, in this age of information, they don't know who Muhammad is while Islam is one of the largest religions.

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Mr! You have ignored all of my comments in my previous reply and you are also thinking that a large part of Qur'an which deals with punishments of previous nations was futile.
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Well, you yourself didn't answer my questions as what Divine Punishment came to the Rejectors of Muhammad s.a.w as came upon 'Aad, Thamud and other nations?

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And I think there is no point in exchanging more fire. We can have different opinions and I think we should try to live with that.
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Or you think you are running out of any arguments?

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I agree with MKF, it was my mistake to quote this verse in evidence for punishment of Apostatcy, this can't be applied to shari'ah of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam, as after repentance if an apostate enters Islam once again he will not be killed but in the above verse they were killed even after repentance.

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lol, if a chimpanzee comes from Geo and Aaj both, that's because he is famous and that's not because he is a Mush and Bush-man.

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JazakAllah.....never knew about that.

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I think it is very important to know that what the Qur'an really is! Qur'an is not a list of laws as Torah. Qur'an is not a book of stories like Gospel. Rather Qur'an is direct word of God given to Prophet Muhammad (sws) in responses to different questions raised by adversaries of Prophet Muhammad and it also addresses Sahabah and Prophet Muhammad as well. In this whole conversation, laws and different stories are told in this debate but not separately. This is why every command of Qur'an will be read in its context. It will be seen that which part of Qur'an is given to which group or person and then we will deduce that what is now for us in it. This is the practice of all our top scholars who always to try to connect each of Qur'an with life of Prophet Muhammad.

Qiblah issue is a classical example to explain what I just explained above. It tells us that Sahabah were asked to change Qiblah to see that which people were true believers and which were hypocrates. It was asked to Sahaba to change Qiblah and since then this new Qiblah has come to us through Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad but we are not asked to change Qiblah.

It is actually Khizar (as), not Zulqarnain (as). By the way, there is alot of debate on it. Ghamidi believes that what Khizar (as) did, only suits to an angel, because he didn't even warn the boy and he just killed the boy on his information given by Allah. This is just like angels, who are killing every moment thousands of people in this world. This kind of killing doesn't suit any human, so what to talk of prophets. This event is mentioned in Qur'an to give a glimpse of God's wisdom behind different incidents that happen in this world which look to people as a great disaster but even behind these incidents, there is hidden wisdom.

The verse says that they know the Prophet just like they know their own sons. This means that the status of Prophet Muhammad (sws) was known to these people just like they knew their sons. This statement can never be accepted to any degree for "people of the book" for today. Maybe afew know about Prophet Muhammad as a true Prophet of God and they are not accepting him because of their own arrogance, but this can definitely not be said for all Christians and Jews of modern world. Secondly, in modern times, because there is no revelation of God, there is no way to know that truth is clear to someone to an extent that Qur'an uses the acquantance of someone's son with the realization of truth.

I don't know why you are not taking following verses of Qur'an seriously that talk about punishment of adversaries of Prophet Muhammad by God through hands of Sahaba.

قَاتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ

Fight them and God will punish them with your hands. (9:14)

The above verse says clearly that these adversaries of Prophet (sws) were punished by God through hands of Sahaba. I don't know whatelse you are looking for.

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Wrong!

Quran is the last book of Allah, it has laws as well as stories, .....

This is a book for all the humans, for all the times.

Sahabah followed Prophet Muhammad(SAW), and Muhammad(SAW) followed Allah........Then shouldn't we be following Sahabah to follow Prophet(SAW) and to follow Allah.

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I think I couldn't convery the message properly. I didn't say that it is not the last book of Allah. I didn't say that it has no laws in it. I said it is not written in the form of a book of laws. Any ordinary person can look into Qur'an and can see that it talks to adversaries of Prophet Muhammad, Sahabah, and Prophet Muhammad. This is the way of understanding for all our top scholars. If you don't believe me, kindly read Al-Tabari, Tafsir-Alkabir or Al-kashaf or Ibn-e-Kathir. All of these great scholars try to connect verses of Qur'an with life of Prophet Muhammad. There is no other way to understand Qur'an.

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Quran also talks to believers and the mankind.

The scholars try to understand quran in the light of Sunnah, and that is the best way to understand Quran

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Actually this is the main point of Farahi/Islahi/Ghamidi school of thought that Qur'an has the complete life of Prophet. What we read in hadith is actually implementation of Qur'an. Hence, Qur'an and life of the Prophet cannot be separated at all, rather Qur'an is a more authentic source of Prophet's life than any other source. Our scholars have always been connecting verses of Qur'an with particular events of Prophet's life and then try to understand it.

I think me and you are not saying a different thing, but it is detrimental to the arguments which I raised to bin Adam's responses.

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Its not that......Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has actually taught us the book of Allah through his sayings and actions.

may be.

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Yet again I disagree, not with what you stated here, but where you think you should get those details from...

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from ahadith.....

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Again, I don't disagree that Prophet's action are not contradictory to Qur'an but rather Qur'an itself tells about Prophet's life. For example, at one place Qur'an says in order to discourage hypocrates that whoever wants to talk with Prophet (sws), he must give some charity before talking to the Prophet. Now, this order is not for us today but rather it tells us a special scenario into the prophet's life.

By the way, I am looking forward to a more intellectual discussion, but if you don't want to come out of your small sphere, I can't help.

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^Which ayah is that?

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you forgot the first clause of my post...

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More than 1/3 of the Quran deals with telling the prophet what to do and what to say...