Degas..few line for you…and rest of the guppies..
Sajda fruhe ya din hai…Shabir asla din
Shabir mil gaye jisa…usko khuda mila
Lakho hazar sal ka sajda hawa hua
Iblis ko batow to..sajdon sa kia mila
Himat hai shart ik kadam ka hai fasla
Janat sa karbala ka hai rasta mila mila.
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I would go for after death where I would be with Hazrat Abu Bkr, Umer, Usman and Ali. Along with some of the holy persons u mentioned. Stick to ur faith but dont try to look down othhers.
Degas..Na Na..i am not looking down others..Just letting you know the easy way to
Janat sa karbala ka hai rasta mila mila.
As far as my faith is concern,when i was born i had same faith,will die with same faith and will be going to janat with same faith..ameen
I dont need any short cut to Jannat and I dont think any muslim like Sahaba karam or family of Prophet took that.
You r dead sure of going to Jannat where as I can never be sure about that. I would try my best but its only in Allahs hand. If he likes it I can be blessed. i think there is a day of judgement that will decide our fate.
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Dega...yar i am not asking you to take short cut...but love for ahlebaith will lead you to jannat...and i QUOTE YOU (I dont think any muslim like Sahaba karam or family of Prophet took that)..well dear i know one thing that the family of holy Prophet,and holy prophet(pbuh) are the ownerof jannat,they dont have to take any cut,they are there and will be there to receive the lover of ahlebaith.
yar as for going to jannat..yakeen ke bhee ik manzil hotee hai...bath samaj ma ah gayee ap kee.
If I do bad things but still have love for the ahlbait.. are you saying that I will go to Jannat?
What about what the Quran says about Jahanam?
Cooldude..have some common sense...if you do bad things..one way ticket to jahanam,but yar people who have love for ahlebeth,try to keep them clean as crystal,who dosent do gunah in this world...but you have better chance of going to janat with the love of ahlebaith..you will have to go through your deed,but then after all the azab is done on you on the judjement day,,,you have better chance of going to janat.....have some common sense....better chance ka matlab samaj ma ah gaya ap ko.
Janu,
At least u have come down to better chance. to me Imam Hussains greatness lies in taking that historical decision to take the true path and not being grand son of Prophet Muhammad. i think Prophets family had to work very hard to gain Jannat and to say that they were alredy in is not valid to me. They gained their jannat with love of Prophet and God.
Ok-Logically your point sounds very valid.
But if you are a muslim then you believe in Allah and his word.
Could you point me to the ayat which backs up what you're saying?
I have no argument with you.. just want to see facts for myself!
Degas..i think you dont know or dont have any education on religious subject,it is just waste of time with you,just read this and refer yourself to the holy bible and you will learn something..allah hafiz.
**In 1980 we celebrated the 1400 anniversary of the Hijri Calendar and published a short biography of the 14 Masoomeen
(infallibles). As this was just a one page biography of each Masoom, we thought that this time we should make an effort to give
the biographies of Masoomeen in detail. Our first effort was highly popular and the 3000 copies of our first print were sold out
quickly. We had to reprint and even all copies of the second edition were also sold out. Demand came from all countries from
all five continents. Time passed but people still remember our effort and from time to time a call on the phone from Auckland
New Zealand or Los Angeles USA reminds us that the need for some detailed biography is still there. Recently many more
people asked about the book and we thought that the time has come to make an effort. Indeed Sheikh Mufid’s Al-Irshad is
there, but this is, although authentic, tedious to read and understand. The book appears to be for research scholars only,
ordinary people, especially the youth in the West who wish to know about the Masoomeen do not have a suitable, extensive, or
authentic enough book which tells them who these Masoomeen were, what they did and what influence they left on the Muslim
society of today.
With this idea in the forefront, the following book is in your hands to read and understand about the 14 Masoomeen without
taking too much of your time in understanding it. It is a simple, concise biography in simple English with all the necessary
references at the end of each biography. Why were these Masoomeen called “Ahlulbayt” ?
Qor’an in Sura 42,V 23 tells us in the words of Prophet Muhammad, “ I do not ask you for any recompense for this
(communication of the revelation) except the love of the near kinship." (Mawaddata fil-Qurba). Asking the believers to love the
Prophet and his Ahlulbayt.
In Sura 33 (Ahzab) V.33 there is further elaboration of the Ahlulbayt and their status.
This state of purity, which distinguished Muhammad and his family (Ahlulbayt) from the common muslims, agreed with the
elevated ranks of the families of the earlier Prophets, but this elevation was not unconditional, they had to be rightly guided to
achieve that status. This guidance was confirmed by the following verses, Verse 33 goes like this:
"God desires only to remove any impurities from you, o’people of the House (Ahlulbayt) and to purify you completely.” Who
are the people of the House (Ahlulbayt)?
The pronoun referring to them is in the masculine plural, while the preceding part of the verse is in the feminine plural. This
change in gender has evidently pointed the finger to the Five people of the mantle (Ahl Al-Kisa) i.e.
Muhammad-Ali-Fatima-Hasan-Hussain. For this Verse was revealed when the Prophet was in the house of his daughter Fatima
under a Kisa. She is the narrator of this Tradition. When these Five persons were under the Kisa she used a sentence “Fa
Lamma Aktamalna” And when we were complete(Under the Kisa). She did not use the word Ajtam’ana, i.e when were all
gathered or assembled together for it would show the possibility of addition or subtraction from the Five. The word
'Aktamalna' clarified the position that these Five had completed the assembly without further additions.
Tabari in his commentary and Imam Fakhruddin Razi in his Tafsee-e-Kabir in their commentaries on this verse support this
interpretation and the names of Five people with the exclusion of the wives of the Prophet. The Ahlulbayt of Muhammad
meant, as was consistent with the general usage of the term at the time, primarily his blood relations, the same people who were
also forbidden to receive Alms ( Sadaqa) in order that their state of purity not be soiled or questioned. This also elevates them
to the status of infallible (Masoom), that is, free of mistakes in all avenues of life.
To further confirm the names of these Five persons, in Sura III,V.61, the Verse of Mubahela clarifies this position in front of
the large audience of muslims as well as Christians.. This Verse goes like this:
“ If one disputes with you in this matter (concerning Jesus) after the knowledge which has come to you, come, let us call our
sons and your sons, our women and your women, our-selves and your-selves, then let us swear an oath and place the curse of
God on those who lie. And the personalities Muhammad(SA) took with him were the same Five people of the Kisa.He himself
as the Prophet of God, his Daughter Fatima as the women of the family, his two grand sons as the sons and his cousin Ali as
the “Self” of the Prophet. When the Bishop of Najran saw these faces he realised the truthfulness of the Prophet and refrained
from verbal confrontation of curse on those who lie. Qur’an’s logic plays a great part in understanding what God wanted us to
know and what to do when matters are under dispute or subject to various interpretations. Sura III V.31 tells us,
“ Say (O’ Muhammad) if you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins.” In this Verse, the Prophet
is introduced as an exemplar to whose behaviour and morality people should conform their own behaviour and morality, and
whom they should take as their precedent. This in itself is a proof of the Prophet’s immunity from sin and error, because, if it
were possible for sin and error to proceed from him, there would be no purpose in God, introducing him as a leader and a
precedent. This position then after the Prophet, passed to the Household (Ahlulbayt) and according to a Hadith, which many
Sunni and Shi’i scholars have narrated in their books on the life of the Prophet, in histories and in their own books on Hadith
from nearly thirty companions of the Prophet. The Prophet chose his Household (Ahlulbayt) for the leadership and Imamate.
He said,
“ I leave among you two precious things: the Book of Allah and my Ahlulbayt .These two will not be separated until they
encounter me at the pool of Kawther (in paradise). Do not run ahead of them, for you will be ruined, do not neglect them, for
you will be ruined and do not seek to instruct them for they are wiser than you.” Looking at the above Verses of the Holy
Book, let there be no doubt in the minds of any readers, believers or non believers, that the Prophet on orders of the Qor’an
was a Masoom and so were his Ahlulbayt. Hence the lives of The Fourteen Masoomeen (AS) for you to read, understand and
follow, because following their footsteps will lead us to Love God. This should be the aim of every Human being on earth to
achieve salvation. The Present book is my life’s ambition which is to give authentic and correct information about the
Ahlulbayt of the Prophet in the language that todays youth understands. I pray that the Imam Sahibuz -Zaman Aalaihissalam
will accept this small offering from one of his humble servants.**
Yaar: You have to look at all the instances in the Quran:
Let me refer you to your ayats in your post:
**[42:23]
23. That is (the Paradise) whereof Allah gives glad tidings to His slaves who believe (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism) and do righteous good deeds. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "No reward do I ask of you for this except to be kind to me for my kinship with you." And whoever earns a good righteous deed, We shall give him an increase of good in respect thereof. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Ready to appreciate (the deeds of those who are obedient to Him).
[33:32]
32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.
[33:33]
33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification.**
Can you clarify from these ayat's, which part refers us to Love the prophets family to get into paradise?
I love the prophets family, everyone does. But I love Prophet Muhammed even more and Allah even more still.
CoolDude..yar you are as cold as your nick name...you are frozen and dont understand anything..i think i am just wasting my time with you and dega...enough..
allah hafiz
salam guys,
i am back after a a while on this site. Nice to see not many things have changed!!
nice sher Janu.
CoolDude, I posted link to then i was guided, in that you will find the proof you are searching for. It is backed up by references from Quran and as it is proof to non-shia's it uses your sahih's as well to back up the point. You are in London so if you wish I can lend you my paperback copy. It is upto you if you are searching for the truth. my email address is [email protected] if you wish to contact me to borrow this book. Also I posted link to The Right Path (al-Maraja'at) which was letters between sunni alim who was head of Al-Azhar university and shi'a alim on the beliefs of shi'a. I also have this in hard copy if you wish to borrow.
Degas....perhaps if you have the time you would also be interested in reading the above books. Because on that day for us there will be no excuse that i did not know. The truth is there for those who search with a pure heart.
Allah Hafiz.
[quote]
Originally posted by CoolDude:
**If I do bad things but still have love for the ahlbait.. are you saying that I will go to Jannat?
What about what the Quran says about Jahanam?**
[/quote]
Salam brother Cool Dude,
**
Good question.
As our fifth Imam Muhammed baqar (a.s) ibne-zainulabedin (a.s) ibne Imam Hussein (a.s) said and I quote:
"Oh you the friends of ahle-bait (a.s), our love will not reach you untill you do amal-e-saleh."
Therefore, amal-e-saleh (good actions) are the basis of one's Love towards ahlebait (family of Prophet s.a.w.w). Offcourse this love towards Prophet's family is a spiritual part of one's divine journey towards heaven.
Offcourse this love of Imam Ali (a.s) and Imam Hussein (a.s) takes one close to Allah's love. Offcourse when one cries for Imam Hussein (a.s), one focus on his sajda on zameen-e-karbala under sword of Yazid's armymen. Offcourse when one looks at water and cries, yes he/she imagines the thirst of Imam Hussein (a.s) and his six month old kid Ali Asghar (a.s) who was martyred by yazid three days thirsty. But is this just a thoughts of Imam Hussein's thirst or is it more than that? Yes my brother, its more than that, one feels the message in his thirst there. One sees the message in his struggle there. One can see a lover of Allah (Hussein a.s) giving extreme sacrifices to taste Love of Allah.
Yes, and when one thinks about Imam Hussein's sajda, Imam Ali's roza, Imam zain-ul-abedeen's ibadat, how can he/she not pray? Thats the whole message of Karbala. Pray, but while doing sajda, while bowing down, while doing rukku, Think and feel greatness of Allah, feel the love of Allah. Ask yourself this question? I am doing sajda, but why? To crush my evil desires. To crush my nafs-e-ammara. To give myself to Allah. To come close to Allah. Now that I have bowed down in front of Allah, now I will not bow down in front of this world. Now, even if the whole world goes against me and they are wrong, I will still not compromise on principles, I can give my life but not bow down. This is the message of Karbala.
~yeh sir kat jaey, jhukney na paey~~
**
**Tears are falling outta my eyes while typing these lines!
Tears,
Humble
Wow!!!
HumBlE JeeeeeeeeEEEEEEE!!!
yOu havE wonderFuL tHoughTs …i Am SOO eMoTiONAL!!! nOWW!!!
MeAn It…
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GuRya!!!
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First of all Yazeed didn't martyr these people, personally. Secondly, Yazeed conquered konstantinople and according to one Hadith," He who conquers Konstantinople, will be granted a place in Jannah" . Now, only Allah can decide what would happen to Yazeed. It's beyond any human's prediction.
Humble and others if your sajda is towars the tomb of Hussain and others, then it's utter wrong. One must bow towards Ka'aba.
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Hey moderator;
I don't know if your post was a joke but u must be suffering from a huge delusion of grandeur.
Which world r u living in ? Do u actually believe Yazid (Allah's curse be on him) did not massacre the holy prophet's family ? What do u know of the events of karbala ?
You, a moderator of this site, and living in the 21st century still believes such ludicrous claims that conquering a certain place leads to heaven. Even if that means killing and raping women, as Yazid did when he attacked Mecca.
And please don't start with made-up stories of people praying towards and shrine.
I am totally disgusted if sites like these are under care from people like u.
I don't care if you are disgusted. I come here to play on the neutral grounds. Don't look at my title cuz it has nothing to do my faith, just ignore it.
As far as Yazeed is concerned, it's not up to you or me where he ends up. I just put a simple Hadith and that's all.
[This message has been edited by outlaw (edited September 21, 2000).]
Why don't you jump of a cliff if someone tells you so.
Have you become so mummified that you cannot make any judgements on yr own ?
If a person murders and rapes the innocent, can you as an adult make up yr mind whether the person was right or wrong.
Then if it is the holy prophet's family that was massacred, what conclusions should u draw.
Moderator, u are gumrah (mis-guided), and unless you delve seriously into yr false beliefs, you are headed into trouble.
Wake up for God's sake. Yr parents educated u for a reason.