"Jamat-e-Islami & Sipah-e-Sahaba"

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On the request of many of my fellow chat friends, I am staring this thread in good faith to distinguish between the ones abusing Islam and elevating Islam:

**A difference between JAMAT-E-ISLAM and SIPAH-E-SAHAB’s idealogy:

**SIPAH-E-SAHABA **believe in killing innocent civilians and leaders from our other sects (shia / brelvi).

****JAMAT-E-ISLAMI **believe in creating harmony and unity among different sects of Muslims. Formation of MMA (that includes ahle sunnah, brelvi, and shias) is a clear proof of that. Amir (Qazi Sahab)'s condolence on both Nishtar Park tragedy and Mr. Hasan Turabi’s killing are more proofs of that.

Useful link:

www.jamaat.org

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so why did jamat e islami stand by idle when its ghunda student wing of islami jamiyat went on rampages throughout the 80s in collees and universities in Pakistan, why could not ppl like that idiot qazi speak up more against the actions of jamiyat.

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its called political opportunism, give them the chance and they will show u how much they hate shia’s and barelvis. If u need proof, read Maududis books.

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Fraudia Fartguru, please come out of your La La land. What rampage are you taking about, do you think that the right wing student political factions should have left the field open for the likes of APMSO, PSF and MSF. IJT was doing nothing different than what the others were doing in different parts of Pakistan. Lets not go that back, even in early 90's students belonging to NSF (a leftist student faction) were beaten up in broad day light in DMC, one was even murdered, the same happened in UET Lahore. Now blaming the whole student violence on Jamat is almost like saying all Muslims are terrorists.

Fartguru, Maududi didnt love Shias, but I think he hated secularists more.

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Lets forget the past dear brothers and sisters. I am not saying we are angels, but at least lets try to unite. We all have difference of opinion, but we believe in same Allah and same Prophet (s.w).

Lets unite!

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Minime..point being like all thug student organisations , jamiat harassed students, killed students, shot at students in broad daylight..while the head honchos of jamat e islami stayed basically quiet about it.

abay where was your islam when your student outfit was harsssing ppl, injuring and killing ppl. I am not blaing al student violence on jamaat, but jaimaats violence..which was plenty

yes IJ did nothing more than other thug groups, and its a shame that its godfathers including qazi let that continue. shame on them..

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Unity is great, but it does not mean we have to follow two bit thugs like qazi and fazl and sami. they dont have the theka of unity and while they can promote unity now all they want, being united does not mean one must support these circus clowns

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Then whats your plan B?

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Maudoodi afkar Jameeat
Khalid ki talwar Jameeat

Islami Jameeat Talba (Pakistan)...

Kudos to Jameeat for kicking Altaf the fathead and his vile hate out of Jamia-e-Karachi in the late seventies, thereby forming the genesis of mohajir hatred towards anything Islamic....

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Not to mention the blood of 2000 deaths in Punjab of the Ahmediyaz in their campaign against them, back in 1953 which resulted in martial law in Punjab.

I wanna cry..
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Are you saying that the leadership of PPP, ML and other main stream parties some how condemned their thug student organizations for killing and harassment but Jamat islami didn’t? Or was it just the Jamat which was involved in the student killing? Again , its like saying that Jamat casued all the student violence in pakistan.

Fraudia, you are not only blaming Jamat for all the killing, you are making an excuse of some higher calling since its an "Islamic" political party. So in other words you are saying that PPP and ML's killing and violence is ok since they are secular and pseudo-secular parties? They have no moral obligations and hence they can kill and harass but the Jamaat cant since its a "islamic" political party? Man, one can see that its not Jamat that you dislike.

Again, at one place you say that IJT did nothing more than its rivals thugs, then you blame it on Qazi that he let it continue, but you dont even mention the rest of the leaders. Such a biased opinion, dear, not only Qazi let it continue, but the main stream parties considered the violence as ok, so to blame it on only one political faction would not be fair.

In Pakistan, the establishment a.ka. the army has a deep history of creating and supporting such factions, hence supporting violence. Now if we (MMA or any left right center party) keep on supporting such power hungry establishment, then this violence will never end.

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They may not be responsible for “all” the student violence, but they had big share in it. They were in fact the most provocative in violence. I have been there and seen it. I am an X Karachi University student. I have seen them beating many male students just coz he was having lunch in lawn with a female class fellow (even if they were dating, tu who the hell are you to beat the guy up?). They claim to be the “thaikedar” of Islam and think that they are licensed to enforce Islam by hook or crook.

I have seen them doing all the dirty things that other student organizations do but they are a bit worst coz they do all this in the name of Islam

That’s why I am in the favor of banning all the “Mini Me” student federations of political parties. If students have to do politics, there should be student bodies and not the student wings of political parties.

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Too bad they didn't get lynched, which given the circumstances would have been better for these degenerates...

Getting beat up for fornicating...versus getting your knee caps drilled by APMSO jiallays for being a Jamaati...take your pick...

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ONly difference between Jamiat and MSf?APMSO/PSF is that Jamaatis recite kalima before beating you, others dont.

:)

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I like that...

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*Are you saying that the leadership of PPP, ML and other main stream parties some how condemned their thug student organizations for killing and harassment but Jamat islami didn’t? Or was it just the Jamat which was involved in the student killing? Again , its like saying that Jamat casued all the student violence in pakistan. *

nope, the topic of discussion is jamaat and i am simply talkign about their failure. if everyone else sucked at it, is that an excuse? whats wrong is wrong..

and the fact remains, jamaat stood by wile jamiaat goons went on rampages..

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Fraudia, you are not only blaming Jamat for all the killing, **

not for ALL the killing but for all the killing that jamiat was responsible for.

*you are making an excuse of some higher calling since its an "Islamic" political party. So in other words you are saying that PPP and ML's killing and violence is ok since they are secular and pseudo-secular parties? *

nope not at all, the thread is on jamaat and thats why I am discussing jamaat.
open a thread on PSF, NSF, APMSO whatever and I will balem them and their godfather politial parties as well.

*They have no moral obligations and hence they can kill and harass but the Jamaat cant since its a "islamic" political party? Man, one can see that its not Jamat that you dislike. *

grasp all the straws that you can to try and paint my dislike for jamaat as dislike for religion, but that is simply not the case.

*Again, at one place you say that IJT did nothing more than its rivals thugs, then you blame it on Qazi that he let it continue, but you dont even mention the rest of the leaders. Such a biased opinion, dear, not only Qazi let it continue, but the main stream parties considered the violence as ok, so to blame it on only one political faction would not be fair. *

okay so qazi and jamaat e islami is no better then rest of the thug political groups and thus should not be put on a pedestal just because they have atasbeeh in their hand a foot long beard, behind that diguise they are thigs just like PPP or MQM.

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:alhamd: , that we agree on this .

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I can see you swirling...

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