Jamaat-i-Islami: Hakeemullah was a ‘martyr’

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You will NOT hear any condemnation probably because they also believe like the TTP that the ones who are not following their twisted sharia deserve to die or are supporting "kafir" govt or kafir foreign invaders.

See, the circle of destruction keeps increasing, I say nuke the whole damn country then.

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Many countries have faced similar situations.

Jordan in 1970 with Black September, Sri Lanka with LTTE, Colombia with FARC, Mexico with Cartels, Turkey with PKK, etc.

All those countries fought and destroyed their enemies. They didn't negotiate but laid out terms of surrender.

Does Pakistan lack the will or courage to see this fight through?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/world/asia/in-pakistan-death-by-drone-turns-a-villain-into-a-martyr.html?_r=0
LONDON — In life, Hakimullah Mehsud, the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, was Public Enemy No. 1: a ruthless figure who devoted his career to bloodshed and mayhem, whom Pakistani pundits occasionally accused of being a pawn of Indian, or even American, intelligence.

But after his death, it seems, Pakistani hearts have grown fonder.

Since missiles fired by American drones killed Mr. Mehsud in his vehicle on Friday, Pakistan’s political leaders have reacted with unusual vehemence. The interior minister, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, denounced the strike as sabotage of incipient government peace talks with the Taliban. Media commentators fulminated about American treachery. And the former cricket star Imran Khan, now a politician, renewed his threats to block NATO military supply lines through Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa — a province his Tehreek-e-Insaf party controls — with a parliamentary vote scheduled for Monday.

Virtually nobody openly welcomed the demise of Mr. Mehsud, who was responsible for the deaths of thousands of Pakistani civilians. To some American security analysts, the furious reaction was another sign of the perversity and ingratitude that they say have scarred Pakistan’s relationship with the United States.

“It’s another stab in the back,” said Bill Roggio, whose website, the Long War Journal, monitors drone strikes. “Even those of us who watch Pakistan closely don’t know where they stand anymore. It’s such a double game.”

To many Pakistanis, though, it is the United States that is double-dealing, and sentiments like Mr. Roggio’s exemplify typical American arrogance. Shireen Mazari, a senior official in Mr. Khan’s party, has urged the Pakistani military to shoot down drones.

But if the equivocation over Mr. Mehsud’s death seems to be just another manifestation of the cankerous relationship between the two countries, albeit a particularly troubling one, it is rooted in a complex mix of psychology and politics that may be central to the way Pakistanis see their arch allies, the Americans.

Partly, it is a product of Pakistan’s failure to counter a stubborn insurgency. After years of Taliban-induced humiliations and bloodshed, and of heavy American pressure to step up military action against the Taliban, Pakistan’s political and security establishments still agree that starting peace talks with the Taliban is the best course.

Such talks may have had slim chances of success — previous negotiations quickly foundered — but Mr. Mehsud’s death appears to have thoroughly derailed them, at least for now.

Beyond that, analysts say, Pakistanis have a consistent, if relatively recent, history of rooting for people the West has deemed villains, and against people the West has praised.

Aafia Siddiqui, a Pakistani woman who is serving an 86-year jail sentence in New York for trying to kill Americans in Afghanistan, is a virtual national hero, popularly known as the “daughter of the nation.”

On the other side, Malala Yousafzai, the teenage education activist who was shot in the head by the Taliban last year, making her an icon around the world, has been demonized in Pakistan, where she is regularly called a C.I.A. agent or a pawn of the West.

These adversarial reactions stem in part from Pakistanis’ perception of their country’s history with the United States. In their view, it is a long story of treachery, abandonment and double-crossing: The United States, many Pakistanis believe, used Pakistan during the Cold War, dropped it in the 1990s and has spent much of its time since trying to steal the army’s nuclear arsenal. Then came the C.I.A. drones.

In recent years, that resentment has been bolstered by a growing sense of impotence among Pakistanis: The country’s own security forces failed to find or capture Osama bin Laden, for instance, and it also took an American drone to kill the previous Taliban leader, Baitullah Mehsud, in August 2009.

“In a sense, this has nothing to do with Malala or Aafia Siddiqui or Hakimullah,” said Adil Najam, a professor of international relations at Boston University who is Pakistani. “These people are just characters in a larger relationship that has become so poisonous.”

**The problem, some analysts say, is that hostility toward the United States may be clouding Pakistanis’ ability to discern their own best interests. In the conflagration over Hakimullah Mehsud’s death, Mr. Najam said, the government has failed to distinguish between opposition to drone strikes and to the removal of a homicidal, militant enemy.

“It’s very destructive that we can’t untangle these two things,” he said. “The reaction has become absolutely absurd.”**

Analysts say this reaction also holds lessons for the Obama administration, showing that drone strikes, for all their antiseptic appeal, will always struggle for legitimacy because the covert program operates in the shadows of international law — no matter how big the target it takes out.

For now, the ball is in Mr. Khan’s court. If his party votes on Monday to block American supplies bound for Afghanistan, it will make life difficult for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who opposes closing the supply lines but has nonetheless vowed to press ahead with Taliban peace talks.

It is concern for the fate of those talks that has been given as justification for the most vehement criticism of the killing of Mr. Mehsud. But amid all the enthusiasm for negotiations, Pakistani politicians have yet to publicly address the first hurdle: deciding what the government would be willing to concede to the Taliban, given that the movement’s central aim is to overthrow the state itself.

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The reality of these religious leaders finally coming out.

Dunya News: Pakistan:-Anyone killed by US is a ‘martyr’: JUI-F chief…

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This question was asked by a shetaan journalist. I don’t think it was appropriate time to ask such question and answer it as dialog process was underway. You cannot reach an agreement by declaring them khawrji , kafir or so. Well, it’s another story if you want to rule out the dialog.

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Keep watching **what media gets **by highlighting such things.

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Now its IK turn to call him martyr. This country has no hope.

Fazl calls Hakimullah a martyr, asks TTP to salvage peace effort - DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: In an astonishing exchange of questions and answers outside the Parliament House on Tuesday, JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman claimed that “anyone killed at the hands of the United States” was “a martyr”, DawnNews reported.

The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Fazl chief made the above remark in response to a question posed to him by media representatives as to whether Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan chief Hakimullah Mehsud, who was killed in a drone strike, qualified as a martyr.

Fazl criticised cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan and said the Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf (PTI) chief should refrain from taking solo flights on the issue of blocking Nato supplies going through Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

The JUI-F said it had been decided in the All Parties Conference (APC) that all political groups would work in unison on the matter.

Rehman called out to members of the TTP and reiterated that they should not allow derailment of the peace process in the wake of Hakimullah’s killing. He also underscored the importance of calling another APC on the matter.

Separately, opposition parties have been divided on the issue of Nato supplies to US forces in Afghanistan via KP.

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) favour the continuation of Nato supplies. On the other hand, PTI, JUI-F and the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) maintain that blocking Nato supplies would be effective in putting an immediate stop to drone attacks.

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Hakeemullah had half of million dollars bounty (PRs 50 million) on his head from the government of Pakistan. Will they be sending that to the drone operator? They really should. ;)

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NO one is asking them to label a mass murderer as a khwarij or a kafir. At least a person like him cannot be called a martyr, which is disrespect to thousands killed by them. A person killed by Americans is an instant martyr, but what about those killed by these 'martyrs'?

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A new definition of shaheed floated by Mullah diesel today:

Even a dog killed by the Americans is a martyr.

Sahih kehtay hain, neem mullah khatra e imaan.

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Actually, I am not surprised. Surprise is only for those who thinks that all religious faces in Pakistan are faces of Islam, united in beliefs, and consider Taliban as ‘people waging war in the name of Islam’ or at least misguided but committed Muslims. Truth is entirely different.

Pakistan religious faces are divided. For some, Taliban are pious Muslims, Takfeer is their birth right, killing Muslims on whom they do takfeer is their religious obligation, fighting anyone who oppose their beliefs is their religious duty, and imposition of their beliefs on all Muslims, by hook or crook, is their religious objective. Many with such thought unfortunately have got recognition as Islamic scholars when they are only Scholars of their deviant misguided sect.

On the other hand, we have Muslims (vast majority, Shia and Sunni alike) who believe that we are on this world for a test (as individuals), and Allah will judge us all on judgment day, so our duty as Muslim is to preach ‘right and wrong’ with words, and only oppose with hands those who are aggressive towards us and are an obvious obstruction in following path of leading a life of Muslim.

Hence, you would not find any statement from Pakistani scholars of Shias and Sunnis claiming that Hakeemullah is Shaheed, rather most would be ignoring his death. On the other hand, you may find some so-called scholars of Deobandi sect (not all, but some with deviant mind and beliefs) who may consider Hakeemullah as Shaheed.

[Now, it is our duty for our own sake to know and learn the difference between right and wrong (at least according to our own intelligence), as after death all will be alone and would be answering questions on their acts and beliefs, without saying that they acted or believed because so and so they followed]

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and every dollar is tabarruq?

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Majority Pakistanis and most political parties lack the will to fight Taliban. Because they are themselves pro-Taliban. They see no problem in Taliban's view of the world and shariat.

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Yeah, let's not HIGHLIGHT them. We should not say anything about those who call a 'khariji dushman e Islam' a martyr.
Let's save him. It's the media that is the culprit for highlighting the crimes of those Taliban allies.

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By giving this statement , Apne shahdaT paki karli hai , fazlu ne ;)