^ This is exactly why it would have been good to develop the government planning and accounting systems indegenously rather than shelling out megamillions for SAP through a Big 5 that too. You'll get a better suited system, probably less expensive (doesn't take much to halve Big-5 budgets and finish faster - I know because that's how I made my money), encouraged local programmers, and gained invaluable implementation experience.
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And this is, no doubt, a big issue for major software companies like Microsoft and Oracle. They want software piracy to end before they can commit to major investment in Pakistan.
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I believe that the "major investment" is not waiting for software piracy to end, rather for "political calmness" and assurance that a change of government will not effect investing companies "a la Hub Power", dropping of import tax for political purposes (Saifur Rehman importing BMWs) etc.
Only if investor can trust our government on such issues, and those bombings can be brought to stop we'll see investment flowing in.
Spock, are you sure there was only one from India? I kind of remember seeing 2 out of 10 being IITs (not sure). Anyway, good show all!
Yes, there was just one… You can goto the website of the IEEE computer society if you dnt believe md. Or I can even provide you with the addy…
There are two :)
*Indian Institute Of Technology, Delhi *
Delhi, India
Distributed Personal Authentication System (DPAS)
*Indian Institute of Technology Kanpur *
Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh, India
DIVINE - Devices for the Visually Impaired for Navagating Everywhere
PS :- It doesn't prove anything though. India does have both quality and quantity in IT.
^ well ain’t that a pisser! 
Is that what the other 14 IITs were doing? They got beaten, accept that…
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Is that what the other **14 IITs **were doing? They got beaten, accept that...
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Wrong again - some lowly Dwarkadas university in some village doesn't qualify for an IIT.
There are only 7 IITs and out of which only 4 took part and 2 won which btw doesn't prove anything because Indian IT market is doing very good in terms of quality and quantity both.
Spock, if you want it that badly, why don't you simply take the IIT entrance exam?
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Spock, if you want it that badly, why don't you simply take the IIT entrance exam?
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Sawyer darling, I took the test for Pakistans best university, where about 24,000 students from all over apply collectively, and only 150 are selected, the top 20 being in the computer engr. class... And gues what, I got in, so you dont need to worry.
Asif, you said two IITs won, but sorry to say, they didnt win anything, even lums didnt win anything, all they did was got in the top ten, and got a name for being in the top ten, thats it. They were beaten by better teams, and the microsoft awards went to other teams, let alone the 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I have pictures from the ceremony and I will post em soon.
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Sawyer darling, I took the test for Pakistans best university, where about 24,000 students from all over apply collectively, and only 150 are selected, the top 20 being in the computer engr. class...
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So the so called "quality of IT in Pakistan" is defined in terms of 20 people per year?
That is one college sawyer munney… And these 20 seats are for civilian cadets, there are more seats for cadets and paying cadets, who also have to undergo some military fitness tests in addition to academic test. Its time for you to stop being so jealous. btw, congratulations on your hockey teams performance 
I heard alot of money was spent on them, and they were making some very big claims 
Good news, now the usual anti-pakistani hate mongers, pleas refrain from replying
LUMS Receives $41,000 Unrestricted Grant from Cisco Systems for research in networking
The Communications and Networking group at Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) is off to a wonderful start with the receipt of an unrestricted grant of U.S. $41,000 from Cisco Systems to conduct state-of-the-art research in the field of Networking. The project spans a period of one year and adds significant value to the Ph.D. programs in Computer Science and Computer Engineering at LUMS.
Zartash Afzal Uzmi, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Computer Science and Engineering is the principal investigator of the project which aims to address traffic engineering issues in data networks based on MPLS technology. Other members of the communications and networking group working on this project will be Dr. Tariq Jadoon, Assistant Professor and Irfan Uddin Ahmad, Teaching Fellow. The funding for the year-long project begins in August 2003.
Dr. Uzmi joined the faculty at LUMS in 2002, after completing his Ph.D. in electrical engineering from Stanford university, and is involved in various networking projects at LUMS. The sponsored project, which involves two faculty members, one research associate, and various technology experts from Cisco Systems, aims to propose new schemes and evaluate various existing traffic engineering algorithms in MPLS. Traffic engineering enables a router—a networking device through which Internet traffic flows—to direct traffic along a specific path; this capability is crucial for efficiently utilizing network resources and providing a reliable service. The TE capability is becoming even more important as an increasing number of network providers migrate their legacy networks to a newer MPLS-based network infrastructure.
One of the key benefits of MPLS technology is its ability to forward traffic along a specific path (i.e., traffic engineering). The path can be determined in two ways: specified by a user or computed based on a constraint. In the latter case, the computation is based on dynamic routing topology information obtained from various routing protocols such as OSPF and IS-IS. In short, MPLS traffic engineering application enables the establishment of traffic engineered label switch paths (LSPs). In addition to traffic engineering, MPLS provides several additional features such as the ability to setup backup LSPs, mechanisms to detect link or node failures, and fast (e.g., 50 milliseconds) reroute of traffic with or without bandwidth QoS guarantees. These features have stimulated an increased interest in MPLS LSP protection and restoration schemes. Thus, MPLS TE together with fast reroute (FRR) provides a highly reliable service with very fast recovery times.
The research project would not only contribute to the networking research and benefit the networking community in general but also catalyze the research program in computer science and engineering at LUMS.
Related Links:
http://suraj.lums.edu.pk/~canal
http://www.cisco.com/go/research
Congratulations !! That seems like an achievement for you. :)
Spock Yaar, why do you think that we are hate mongers ? The truth is most of us dont know much about LUMS and I dont have any problem in accepting that it is a great school may be better than IIT, if that makes you feel better about it.
this thread was interesting .. till Spock had to crap in it (again) about that goddam IT competition.. get over it dude.. if u can't understand or contribute accordingly.. sit quiet and learn rather than derail the discussion.
Spock this is pathetic.
Why are you spoiling for a fight? I said I’ll take your word about LUMS for now. I said 20 seats because you said 20 seats. And then you have to go talk about hockey. Don’t you wish you can take back what you said after what happened today? What’s the connection between I.T and hockey? This sounds as stup^ido as the guy who wanted to avenge for cricket defeat with hockey.
Getting back, I’d love to hear how the SAP implementation for G.O.Pakistan went.
asif_k, did I call you a hate monger? I wasnt referring to you, but some people who immediately come in and start posting crap every time something good happens to Pakistan. You automatically assumed I was referring to you when I mentioned 'anti-pakistanis'. The article that I posted, the one you objected, is directly related to Pakistans and IT.
Pakistani_Abroad, you must be the biggest idiot around. Scroll up and see who brought in IIT, in a thread where we are supposed to discuss Pakistan's IT situation. My article on lums getting a grant was directly related to it, and I know that made you piss-a$$ jealous, but learn to read more carefully.
Tommysawyer, I think it would be better for you to start posting the way you used to post before, in your stupid apu accent. Btw, remember your team claimed to be the best team in the world and ended up with a series of loss, to even argentina!!! LOL
Spock, why are you insisting on a hockey discussion in this thread?
On the subject of I.T you're the one that kept misquoting "1 Indian and 1 Pakistani" and when your mistake was pointed out (there are 2 IITs in the top 10), you started with abusive responses. Not cricket at all!
Can we please get back to I.T? I am quite interested to know about the I.T sitiation in Pakistan - from you as well as anyone else in the know.
PS: the "stupid apu accent" you refer to - if you knew who I was modeling it upon you'll never live down that shame.
THe thing is that if LUMS is such a great school, why are it's alumni languishing in Central Michigan State University or whatever? Wouln't they be at MIT or Caltech or UCLA or C Mellon or something?
Well, you know nothing about lums. None of the lums graduate end up in Central Michigan (i dont know where you got that one from).
LUMS has a collaboration with Carnegie Mellon in their graduate program, and CM is already very popular amongst the undergraduates there. Check this out and die with jealousy…
http://www.lums.edu.pk/BSc_faqs.htm
*The LUMS BSc graduates have joined prominent universities for higher studies in the US and UK, like:
USA .
Brown University
Carnegie Melon:crying:
Cornell University
Duke University
Georgia Southern University
University of Delaware
University of Wisconsin Madison
Yale University
Harvard University
Illinois Institute of Technology
Rice University
Syracuse University
Stanford University
University of New Orleans
University of Pennsylvania
UK
Brunel University
Bristol University
Cardiff University
Cambridge University
Imperial College
University of Edinburgh
University of Oxford
Kingston University
Law School, London
Lancaster University
London School of Economics
The University of Warwick
University of Essex
University College London
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