Re: It really happens, Muslims are not welcome in Delhi
^^ majority of it?
majority of what?
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I already gave you the better source…the IslamicWeb. Instead of comparing apples and oranges like you did, they compared both from around 1998 (you were comparing Pakistan’s 2010 estimate with India’s 2001 estimate which obviously doesn’t pass the laugh test)
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^^ well now it does surpasses the laugh test for the edited comments you added later and so I did. Check it again!
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majority of what?
Well you added a lot of comments later.. I asked does MAJORITY of Muslim hotel owners do that? Any proving facts?
but i've heard there are apartment complexes owned by muslims that are exclusively for muslims in delhi too, hindus aren't allowed to buy housing there
if a muslim owns a company he might want to only give another muslim bro the opportunity rather than a hindu based on his name. reverse discrimination happens too and this kind of crap happens in india.
not at all condoning the behavior in the videos but desi society isn't exactly squeaky clean in terms of discrimination/prejudice/bigotry. white people totally pale in comparision
in india there's all kinds of discrimination and i'm sure in pakistan too, but not all make it to youtube like these videos
and again I will ask do MAJORITY of Muslims property owners do that? Well if you say about desi society then its also a debatable topic but maybe this time the thread title is about Muslims not being welcomed in Dehli!!
sikh riots were state sponsored
I think the state is also in India and not in Pakistan! Well if you just want to say that for that time it was shifted to Pakistan then I would say it can be a good Sardar jokes again!
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I think you've missed the point. This is hooplah over nothing. Gated communities are not uncommon. The parsis have them, the Jains have them, the Goans have them and the muslims have them. The idea is to preserve a certain culture, or to do things a particular way. They are not illegal, not unlawful, not uncommon and certainly not defamatory.
One may argue that they are discriminatory, but Indian law allows you to practice your own civil code, which is only possible if everyone agrees to that code within the community- Sharia for instance.
Certain Hindus are very offended, when there is meat in their presence, for example. They are allowed by law, to observe their rights- and to live in a community where there is no meat, and everyone is vegetarian.
So too with certain Muslims. They may wish to observe namaaz, and to practice their religion five times a day without disturbing others. And they have that right. As do Goans, who wish to celebrate St. Peter's day or Jains who wish to have nothin' trampled underfoot.
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Takethat Sixer, your post #3 is highlighting the fact that Muslims are projected as violent, and that's the reason for all the issues discussed in the video and that's where you are making it a sole issue.
12:26 to 12:52 --- how media (wrongly) projects Muslims as terrorist, not that Muslims are violent. 11:30 to 12:10 -- how politicians use religious sentiments of communities for inciting hatred and gaining political points.
Neither of the above have anything to do with Muslim community as a culprit. Both of them emphasize that there is an anti-Muslim sentiment in India and that is not based on any reasonable grounds.
Why are you asking us to 'ask yourself why'? Why not ask your media, your political leaders and your community leaders?
Is there anything in India you Indians wont defend? I guess can Indians can do no wrong!
Grow some balls and call this what this is.. Blatant discrimination. Its wrong regardless of how you try to spin it.
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^ because India has more mulsims than I think just one other country in the world, more even than Pakistan. We never had any special 'muslim' problme until 9/11 and spate of terrorist attacks.
There are Hindu building societies, there are mulsim bldg socities and Chrsitian etc etc and there are equal or more don't care who societies. The Muslims themselves, as do Hindus, Christians etc - many want to just stick to their particular kind ...and many don't mind mixing.
So if instead of going to a building building society where only muslims live, a Hindu or Christian will have the same problem of rejection! But of they go to a mixed building, it won't be an issue.
Two things come out from the video very clearly. Muslims in India are at the bottom of economic strata (even below scheduled castes). Muslims are not welcome because they are economically and socially 'backwards'. As far as violence is concerned, India has been fortunate enough to have more violent incidents 'against' Muslims in India have been much more than violence 'by' Muslims in India in recent years.
If it were because of perception of Muslims as violent, hundreds of thousands of Hindus would not flock to middle-east countries every year which are full of savage Muslims.
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In India values are not there ! That is why India is having 18% Muslim Population (during Independence it was only 10%).
But Pakistan it is the land of Pure ! That is why now there in only 1.6% hindus in Pakistan (during independence it was 15-20%)!!!
Again in 1947 there was more than 300 temples but now less than 12 .. BUt stop we are the land of Pure!!!
Wit respect to the topic, I am a Christian . If a MUslim comes to me and ask my property for rent I will tell him a BIg NO .
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^muslim would never come to you and ask for your property cause he knows you are a hindu playing a christian.
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Wit respect to the topic,** I am a Christian .** If a MUslim comes to me and ask my property for rent I will tell him a BIg NO .
Please don't insult christians.. by making public your sub-human mentality..!!!
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sub-human
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Can you prove that by giving some links/references?
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Remember - in many places muslims won't rent to other religions as well - it is just the way people are - birds of same feather.
People like you inflame the rhetoric and and just hope that you can create a divide in India. Your evil schemes have not worked and will not work. In fact they have all backfired on you and you're witness to the state of Pakistan at the hands of the terrorists!
You are very biased in your views you claim pakistan is full of terrorists but you do not even acknolwedge india has been attacking pakistan for decades trying to claim india is innocent victim is not even funny.
Secondly we don't need to divide india because in pakistan we have our own problems and india has its own problems like different states wanting independance!
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You are very biased in your views you claim pakistan is full of terrorists but you do not even acknolwedge india has been attacking pakistan for decades trying to claim india is innocent victim is not even funny.
Secondly we don't need to divide india because in pakistan we have our own problems and india has its own problems like different states wanting independance!
That's a misconception- and a very gross one to boot.
The only state that can be said to have a 'public' agitation for separation- is Kashmir. And even there, public polls conducted by neutral third sources- like the BBC, show a majority- 60& want to stay with India.
You could go to any of the northeastern states, and while there is occasional anger against the AFSPA, most people are content to live with India. Knowing full well that the alternative is to lie encircled by China, perhaps to be subsumed by it and that their prospects for economic growth lie with the 8-10% annually developing country, rather than individually. This is true for certain parts of Tibet also.
No matter how bad the insurgency, how volatile, we have never allowed a part of the country to break off with the union. Doing so would be political suicide, for any individual, or any party.
What we have done to each other over the years is part of that great proxy game all neighboring countries engage in. But, apart from recently, India has shown tremendous restraint over the years- partly, due to its own apathy, partly due to incompetence and partly due to the pressures of in'l politics.
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Please don't insult christians.. by making public your sub-human mentality..!!!
Quote of the day!
Go Yazdi!
Re: It really happens, Muslims are not welcome in Delhi
Please don't insult christians.. by making public your sub-human mentality..!!!
Isn't that unbefitting of a mod? Surely, you don't know better about his religion than he does.
The fact is, many Christians in India are wary of living next to Muslim localities. It is not a discriminatory issue, it is a crime and social issue.
The exceptions to that are startling: everyone wants to live in a Bori or Ismaili area. And they are muslims too!
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That's a misconception- and a very gross one to boot.
The only state that can be said to have a 'public' agitation for separation- is Kashmir. And even there, public polls conducted by neutral third sources- like the BBC, show a majority- 60& want to stay with India.
You could go to any of the northeastern states, and while there is occasional anger against the AFSPA, most people are content to live with India. Knowing full well that the alternative is to lie encircled by China, perhaps to be subsumed by it and that their prospects for economic growth lie with the 8-10% annually developing country, rather than individually. This is true for certain parts of Tibet also.
No matter how bad the insurgency, how volatile, we have never allowed a part of the country to break off with the union. Doing so would be political suicide, for any individual, or any party.
What we have done to each other over the years is part of that great proxy game all neighboring countries engage in. But, apart from recently, India has shown tremendous restraint over the years- partly, due to its own apathy, partly due to incompetence and partly due to the pressures of in'l politics.
good luck because when one goes the rest will follow like domino effect also you claim india has shown restraint ? india is fully involved it even trying to woo afghanistan as much as possible it has shown no restraint what you talking about.
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Isn't that unbefitting of a mod? Surely, you don't know better about his religion than he does.
The fact is, many Christians in India are wary of living next to Muslim localities. It is not a discriminatory issue, it is a crime and social issue.
The exceptions to that are startling: everyone wants to live in a Bori or Ismaili area. And they are muslims too!
Crime and religious profiling are two different issues. If the poster was saying that he would not rent his property to someone with a criminal back ground.. that would be a separate issue. Presuming and labeling 20 percent of the world population as criminals just on the basis of their religious orientation is a sub-human behavior for present modern day humans.
If general people in India have the mentality as you are saying... considering each other criminals en bloc.. I can only say God save India. So much for co existence and harmony. No wonder likes of Varun Gandhi are allowed to do politics in India.
Last but not least I did not claim to know about anyone's religion. Nor is it my concern. I was just trying to defend Christians when a hate monger poses himself to be a Christian shows his true colors by declaring 20 percent of peace loving world population as some kind of threat to the rest of humanity.
As far as my moderator duties are concerned, I was pretty lenient on this dude as forum rules require me to take action against guys who insult a community of people on the basis of religion. In this forum we do not allow people to insult Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Atheist or whoever on the basis of their religious orientation.
As far as You yourself are concerned, have you any proof of muslim localities being criminal with social problems in India. It is this kind of rotten mentality in India against muslims that they think of themselves as victims of hate. I am glad Jinnah anticipated this and struggled for Pakistan..!!!
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Please don't insult christians.. by making public your sub-human mentality..!!!
Quote for the last 1600 years yazdii!. For Christians the basic principle is "Christ is the son of God". The most insulting thing for a christian is making Son of God (Jesus Christ) a mere human/Prophet. Muslims do this on every day ,every minute ,every seconds. But no Christian is trying to kill you. (At least In India). Instead we are in constant fear of Muslims after a brutal attack in Kerala.
A Professor prepared a question paper from a book written by a Prominent Muslim in Kerala . He took a passage from that book and changed a word "Branthan" (Means mad man ) with a name Muhammed .The reaction was horriffic . An internal quetion paper,in college,that for 32 students made the Muslims so angry that some muslim people chopped off his right hand and tried to kill him . In fear of the Muslim fanatics ,the Christian Management expelled the Professor from College !. All Muslim organisations welcomed that move. That teacher lives in bed at Cochin ,India. Two of my neighbour girls have been trapped by Muslim boys with Love .They married them (may be one of their many wives) . Now we hear that the girsl may be in Pakistan red streets. Even Love -the most sacred human attitude is being utilised by Muslims for their alterior motive.
There are so many other 'human' issues that is done to these "subhumane" people by our dear Muslims. Still being a christian I should show my next cheek to these people. But If I show they will use that opportunity to deface my entire country. So whether I should say Yes or No to these people.
Again let me inform you, we are not hunters but prey. And a prey can tell " no" to a hunter even if that is in vain .
Proof: The hindu population in Afganistan -extincted
That in Pakistan -under constant threat and in decline
Muslims in india -rising in number in each year and if they are in majority, ask for another country (Kashmir). And I am sure that in this present growth rate Muslims will dominate in many states in India and will create many Kashmirs.
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Quote for the last 1600 years yazdii!. For Christians the basic principle is "Christ is the son of God". The most insulting thing for a christian is making Son of God (Jesus Christ) a mere human/Prophet. Muslims do this on every day ,every minute ,every seconds. But no Christian is trying to kill you. (At least In India). Instead we are in constant fear of Muslims after a brutal attack in Kerala. A Professor prepared a question paper from a book written by a Prominent Muslim in Kerala . He took a passage from that book and changed a word "Branthan" (Means mad man ) with a name Muhammed .The reaction was horriffic . An internal quetion paper,in college,that for 32 students made the Muslims so angry that some muslim people chopped off his right hand and tried to kill him . In fear of the Muslim fanatics ,the Christian Management expelled the Professor from College !. All Muslim organisations welcomed that move. That teacher lives in bed at Cochin ,India. Two of my neighbour girls have been trapped by Muslim boys with Love .They married them (may be one of their many wives) . Now we hear that the girsl may be in Pakistan red streets. Even Love -the most sacred human attitude is being utilised by Muslims for their alterior motive. There are so many other 'human' issues that is done to these "subhumane" people by our dear Muslims. Still being a christian I should show my next cheek to these people. But If I show they will use that opportunity to deface my entire country. So whether I should say Yes or No to these people.
Again let me inform you, we are not hunters but prey. And a prey can tell " no" to a hunter even if that is in vain . Proof: The hindu population in Afganistan -extincted That in Pakistan -under constant threat and in decline Muslims in india -rising in number in each year and if they are in majority, ask for another country (Kashmir). And I am sure that in this present growth rate Muslims will dominate in many states in India and will create many Kashmirs.
Dude if you want to discuss religious beliefs and how people get offended due to these beliefs, please feel free to post your concerns in religious forum if the moderators allow you there to make comparative analysis.
Here in this forum we do not allow discussions of religious beliefs. Moreover we do not allow any religious profiling/labeling for an entire community to be declared criminally motivated.
Entire Muslim community is not responsible for criminal acts of certain extremist individuals, just like christian community can not be held responsible for hate mentality of Hitler. So your posting of certain isolated criminal acts of certain individuals to create hate for an entire community is totally unacceptable.