I don’t know where else to post this but was wondering if someone could interpret this dream for my friend if possible as I said I would find out for her.
She is deeply in love with this guy and they hope to get married Inshallah. Both of them have been doing Istikhara for a week now and last night she saw something.
Apparently the feeling was v over-whelming. She had a baby girl and the guy she is love with was over the moon and so happy.
Could there be a meaning behind this? Could this be a sign of any sort that this relationship, ie the marriage, will Inshallah work out or its going to go ahead? Has this happened to anyone?
Any help would be much appreciated and I would be utterly grateful for your honest views.
The best interpretation of the istikhara process that i've read is that one needn't wait for dreams or signs to materialise... rather, in this instance for example, if they are both intent on getting married and the marriage is within the bounds of the shariah then let them make istikhara to that end and go ahead and get married... if the marriage is good for them Allah will facilitate it, if it isn't, Allah will turn one or both of them away from it and the marriage won't be realised...
So to repeat:
Let them first decide what they want to do
Make istikhara (which is asking Allah to aid them in their decision)
Trust in Allah
As Allah says:-
"... so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust (in Him)." (3:159)
Mashwara(consultation) is more important than Istikaaraa.
Consultation with good Muslims is more important. In this
case, with parents of both parties.
And Istikaara must be done by some body else, not the love birds.
B/c they have already made up their mind to get married.
to give a little more of the verse already quoted...
"... and take counsel with them in the affair; so when you have decided, then place your trust in Allah; surely Allah loves those who trust (in Him)."
And it's the one who is seeking Allah's support on a decision that should be making the istikhara - the reported wording is after all in the first person... going to someone else optional, in the same way that one can make dua for oneself and also ask others to make dua for you as well...
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*Originally posted by Sa'ad1: *
Mashwara(consultation) is more important than Istikaaraa.
Consultation with good Muslims is more important. In this
case, with parents of both parties.
And Istikaara must be done by some body else, not the love birds.
B/c they have already made up their mind to get married.
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This is serious sa'ad. Not a story book scenario..
His mum has been doing the Istikhaara too but has been given no signs or whatever...
Consultation with the parents is already in the process and yes they are serious about getting married.
Can I please have more opinions on what she "actually" saw? Interpretation of the dream? Meaning behind it?
This is serious sa'ad. Not a story book scenario..
His mum has been doing the Istikhaara too but has been given no signs or whatever...
Consultation with the parents is already in the process and yes they are serious about getting married.
Can I please have more opinions on what she "actually" saw? Interpretation of the dream? Meaning behind it?
Thank you x
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So I should be telling you what you want to hear. Watch a movie than,
Indian movie will give you a good understanding of the issue.
First, Istikaara is for PERMISSABLE MATTERS.
Second, in this case Istikaara ke kia zarrorat hee.
Both are Muslims THAN WHY they need Istikaara. That's beyond me.
Kia Ishq wihsq se phele bhe Istikaara kia tha kia.
Lekn Islamic thing se phele Allah ke marze maloom karna zarrori hee.
Pakis. Who can understand them.
Why is everyone waiting for a "sign"? Istikhara isn't really about signs, it's about seeking Allah's assistance on a decision already made... maybe the sequence i gave earlier would be better put like this...
Consult on and discuss the matter fully
Then let them decide what they want to do (i.e. marry or not)
Make istikhara (which is asking Allah to aid them in their decision)
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
Why is everyone waiting for a "sign"? Istikhara isn't really about signs, it's about seeking Allah's assistance on a decision already made... maybe the sequence i gave earlier would be better put like this...
Consult on and discuss the matter fully
Then let them decide what they want to do (i.e. marry or not)
Make istikhara (which is asking Allah to aid them in their decision)
Go ahead with the decision
Trust in Allah
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Array Gupguppy....yay hey to ho raha hai....
BUT all I wanted to find out was the meaning behind what she saw in her dream...that they had a baby girl...
Matter has been discussed fully and still in discussion
They really do want to get married
Did the Istikhaara and had the dream
In the process of consultation with the parents
One can only trust in Allah if it will go ahead Inshallah
The marriage is permissable and will happen...
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good, since this is what they want to do let them go ahead with it placing their trust in Allah and if the marriage is good for them Allah will facilitate it, and if it isn't Allah will turn one or both of them away from it (see the words of the istikhara dua) and the marriage won't be realised...
This is serious sa'ad. Not a story book scenario..
His mum has been doing the Istikhaara too but has been given no signs or whatever...
Consultation with the parents is already in the process and yes they are serious about getting married.
Can I please have more opinions on what she "actually" saw? Interpretation of the dream? Meaning behind it?
Thank you x
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Ok. Boy likes girl, girl likes boy, nobody asked mommy for Istikaara.
Now they decide to get married, the boy runs to mummy for istikaara.
Kia matlaaab hee.
Istikaara ko maaf kardoo.
^ looks like you won't be getting an invite to the wedding ;-)
Even if they were having a "love affair" the fact that they are holding back now and seeking Islamic guidance is to be commended... don't be like the guy standing on the beach watching a brother drowning out at sea with you screaming, "Hey, don't you know that gold ring on your finger is haram!!" It's not really going to be of much help to him is it...
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
^ looks like you won't be getting an invite to the wedding ;-)
Even if they were having a "love affair" the fact that they are holding back now and seeking Islamic guidance is to be commended... don't be like the guy standing on the beach watching a brother drowning out at sea with you screaming, "Hey, don't you know that gold ring on your finger is haram!!" It's not really going to be of much help to him is it...
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In Pak, Istikaara's name is used to reject proposals.
And shukr Allah(swt) that the person questioning this
board is asking about Istikaara. Pakis are very fond of Jali
Peer babaas in such situations.
This question belongs in culture section of this board where ladies
can put some light on this issue.
I feel that Istikaara is just a way not to get engaged in this situation.
This is not a Islamic Issue.
The love affairs are not permissable. Marriage is.
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Sa'ad your comments do not make sense!
There is NO love affair! This is an "accepted" rishta between the two families and "the parents" are aware of this rishta. This has already been explained on this forum but somehow I don't think you have actually grasped the meaning behind my question!
Thanks for the Input anyway!
N yup, gupguppy is right - if i were my friend - you wouldn't be invited to the wedding!
There is NO love affair! This is an "accepted" rishta between the two families and "the parents" are aware of this rishta. This has already been explained on this forum but somehow I don't think you have actually grasped the meaning behind my question!
Thanks for the Input anyway!
N yup, gupguppy is right - if i were my friend - you wouldn't be invited to the wedding!
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She is deeply in love with this guy and they hope to get married Inshallah.
This is a quote from your post.
Please, have a look at the word "deeply" and "they".
Kher, chaleee, If Its arranged Istikaraa karlee. Otherwise, don't do It.
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*Originally posted by gupguppy: *
^ looks like you won't be getting an invite to the wedding ;-)
Even if they were having a "love affair" the fact that they are holding back now and seeking Islamic guidance is to be commended... don't be like the guy standing on the beach watching a brother drowning out at sea with you screaming, "Hey, don't you know that gold ring on your finger is haram!!" It's not really going to be of much help to him is it...
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You mean brother or sister, right. Don't you forget the sisters.
or action, knowing that the hadeeth narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with them both) states that the Prophet enjoined them to pray istikaarah for all their affairs (umoor). The hadeeth was narrated by al-Bukhaari. What if a brother wants to pray istikhaarah concerning a compulsory action, because I did not understand what was meant by the Arabic word “kullihaa” (all of them). Does this mean all, or the majority? Because in Arabic, as far as I know, the word “kull” may mean “the majority”. Please, yaa shaykh, clarify for me the meaning of the word “kullihaa” and whether one can pray salat al-istikaarah concerning compulsory actions.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
There is no option when it comes to doing obligatory actions, because Allaah has enjoined them upon us. The same applies to abstaining from haraam things. There is no sense in praying istikhaarah concerning matters which we have no choice about doing. Salat al-istikhaarah was not prescribed for this purpose. Istikhaarah is for permissible matters where one needs to choose the better of two options, or when one has many permissible options. So one prays istikhaarah in order to choose one particular permissible thing, when one is confused as to which city to go to in order to seek knowledge, or which shaykh one should study with, or which halaqah one should attend. So you consult people, then you pray istikhaarah concerning the one that you think is more likely to be better. Similarly, you pray istikhaarah when you plan to propose marriage to a specific woman, or when deciding whether to do a naafil Hajj this year or next year, or when deciding about any matter in which there is hesitation (between choices). This is what is referred to by the words “He taught us to pray istikhaarah in all our affairs.”