Israel's Intifada Victory

Like it or not, this is the reality. The intifada has gone terribly wrong, and Israel has won. Despite todays’ non-binding ruling on the security fence, the fence will stay. It may be re-routed according to Israels’ own High court ruling, but for the most part it will be completed. That will leave the Palestinians with the unenviable task of bargaining to get land back to the Green Line. Since their main bargaining tool, deaths of Israelis’ has been largely checkmated, they have only world opinion and legal pressure left, not a strong hand.

Ultimately Israel will feel increasingly comfortable, and there will certainly be no rush to come to peace with the Palestinians now. Undoubtedly Muslims all over the world will feel betrayed by this, but the real betrayal was Arafat. It is about time to take a good hard look at the leaders who may have street support, but grossly overplay their hand.

The bargaining table demands compromise, not complete victory. Arafats’ misjudgement has cost the whole world alot.

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 18, 2004; Page A29

While no one was looking, something historic happened in the Middle East. The Palestinian intifada is over, and the Palestinians have lost.

For Israel, the victory is bitter. The past four years of terrorism have killed almost 1,000 Israelis and maimed thousands of others. But Israel has won strategically. The intent of the intifada was to demoralize Israel, destroy its economy, bring it to its knees, and thus force it to withdraw and surrender to Palestinian demands, just as Israel withdrew in defeat from southern Lebanon in May 2000.

That did not happen. Israel’s economy was certainly wounded, but it is growing again. Tourism had dwindled to almost nothing at the height of the intifada, but tourists are returning. And the Israelis were never demoralized. They kept living their lives, the young people in particular returning to cafes and discos and buses just hours after a horrific bombing. Israelis turned out to be a lot tougher and braver than the Palestinians had imagined.

The end of the intifada does not mean the end of terrorism. There was terrorism before the intifada and there will be terrorism to come. What has happened, however, is an end to systematic, regular, debilitating, unstoppable terror – terror as a reliable weapon. At the height of the intifada, there were nine suicide attacks in Israel killing 85 Israelis in just one month (March 2002). In the past three months there have been none.

The overall level of violence has been reduced by more than 70 percent. How did Israel do it? By ignoring its critics and launching a two-pronged campaign of self-defense.

First, Israel targeted terrorist leaders – attacks so hypocritically denounced by Westerners who, at the same time, cheer the hunt for, and demand the head of, Osama bin Laden. The top echelon of Hamas and other terrorist groups has been either arrested, killed or driven underground. The others are now so afraid of Israeli precision and intelligence – the last Hamas operative to be killed by missile was riding a motorcycle – that they are forced to devote much of their time and energy to self-protection and concealment.

Second, the fence. Only about a quarter of the separation fence has been built, but its effect is unmistakable. The northern part is already complete, and attacks in northern Israel have dwindled to almost nothing.

This success does not just save innocent lives; it changes the strategic equation of the whole conflict.

Yasser Arafat started the intifada in September 2000, just weeks after he had rejected, at Camp David, Israel’s offer of withdrawal, settlement evacuation, sharing of Jerusalem and establishment of a Palestinian state. Arafat wanted all that, of course, but without having to make peace and recognize a Jewish state. Hence the terror campaign – to force Israel to give it all up unilaterally.

Arafat failed, spectacularly. The violence did not bring Israel to its knees. Instead, it created chaos, lawlessness and economic disaster in the Palestinian areas. The Palestinians know the ruin that Arafat has brought, and they are beginning to protest it. He promised them blood and victory; he delivered on the blood.

Even more important, they have lost their place at the table. Israel is now defining a new equilibrium that will reign for years to come – the separation fence is unilaterally drawing the line that separates Israelis and Palestinians. The Palestinians were offered the chance to negotiate that frontier at Camp David and chose war instead. Now they are paying the price.

It stands to reason. It is the height of absurdity to launch a terrorist war against Israel, then demand the right to determine the nature and route of the barrier built to prevent that very terrorism.

These new strategic realities are not just creating a new equilibrium, they are creating the first hope for peace since Arafat officially tore up the Oslo accords four years ago. Once Israel has withdrawn from Gaza and has completed the fence, terrorism as a strategic option will be effectively dead. The only way for the Palestinians to achieve statehood and dignity, and to determine the contours of their own state, will be to negotiate a final peace based on genuine coexistence with a Jewish state.

It could be a year, five years or a generation until the Palestinians come to that realization. The pity is that so many, Arab and Israeli, will have had to die before then.
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Who says state sponsored terrorism doesn't pay. Get arms from America, get them to veto all resolutions in the UN and then with America turning a blind eye kill thousand upon thousands of Palestinians, blame all the killing and mayhem on Palestinians, When they retaliate make hue and cry that killing innocent Israelis is a crime, and then declare victory.

Hail the victors.

yeah nice timing OG.. just when the UN declared the fence illegal.. seems like only Iraq is punished for violating UN resolutions..

The Palestinians had a chance to get a state at Camp David but threw it away in favor of suicide bombing. This is indeed a bitter but hard won victory for Israel. I hope they complete the fence soon.

As an Israeli commentator said:

"If there had been no terrorism, there would have been no wall.."

Pretty true, pretty simple.

If there had been no disposession, there would have been no terrorism.

if they hadn't wandered around for so many years they wouldn't have had to dispossess anyone of their land.

and if someone hadn't dropped that damn quarter..

If there had been no war there would have been no disposession.

But you miss the point. There was a CHOICE made to start the intifada. It was a politically calculated move. And it failed. That is a good thing for all of us.

frankly it doesnt do anything for me.

The Palestinians need a foundation and by ridding the corruption that has plagued the PA for years will be a good start.

As far as removal of the wall? Remove those who have pledged to destroy Israel first.

There are really two issues, the wall, and the placement of the wall.

Israel absolutely has the right to put up the wall, the question is where?

By putting the wall inside the green line, they have given themselves nothing more than a big bargaining chip. The deal has always been, land for peace, and the deal REMAINS land for peace.

When there is a real and lasting possibility of peace, then the Palestinians will get the land, or if they wait too long, they may get some other land in exchange.

Seems to me they are wasting time. every day that goes by the wall is bigger, and the Israeli hand grows stronger.

Good fences make for good neighbors...

an astute observation OG..

i've also decuded that back in the segregation days putting blacks in separate schools did reduce the presence of black kids in white only schools.

Re: Israel's Intifada Victory

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Arafat wanted all that, of course, but without having to make peace and recognize a Jewish state.
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I think this statement is factually wrong and hence the whole pretence of this article is flawed. Yes, the negotiations failed, but not because Arafat was unwilling to recognize a Jewish state but because the then Israeli PM was unwilling to be reasonable and was offering dis-jointed and separated parcels of land to Palestinians and tried to bulldoze them to accept the deal or walk.

Even the later Saudi proposal was very reasonable where it offered a complete recognition and peace with Israel, in exchange for a Palestinian state and sharing Jerusalem's control. That proposal never went anywhere either.

Israel has consistenly insisted that it will only start negotiations when all terrorism has stopped. This is again an unreasonable expectation, also because not all "terrorist" outfits are in control of a single entity. There is no "off" switch that will stop terrorism attacks. Plus you need to have negotiations started in earnest to stop terrorism. Israel wants to put the cart before the horse. India and Pakistan went through the same song and dance, where the Indians insisted that they won't start negotiations until cross-border terrorism stops. It was not until the PM of India finally decided to be a statesman and started earnest negotiations did the issue come under control.

There is no "victory" here. Nor defeat. Not yet. The matter is still unresolved and will, until there are people on both sides with foresight and the power to provide concessions to win peace.

This sounds almost as dumb as Fukuyama's End of History conclusion. Only less humble, and a great deal more smug.

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they have only world opinion and legal pressure left, not a strong hand.

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Wow. Basically an admission that world opinion and legality doesnt hold weight for Israel and/or the US.

As far as Israel winning is concerned, its not something that has happened just now. Israels military victory has always been ensured by the US with their indiscriminate transfer of firepower, and the allowance to build WMDs without getting checked by the world.

I think whats more important is to realize that such a forced decision will effectively assure Israelis and their future generations of consistently inhospitable neighbors. Sharon is a war criminal, so not much can be expected from him in terms of logic or peace, but there are other alternates in Israel who I believe would want a friendly neighborhood, rather than a perpetually militarily fortified Israel, that fears a suicide bomber every minute of the day.
As far as Palestinians are concerned, they wont reach this stage until they at least have a state to call their own.

Blaming all ills on Arafat is a convenient way of covering up Sharons personality. Arafat has been under house arrest for a very long time now, and his influence is as strong as nothing.

The only thing that the Palestinians have done right is launch a propaganda campaign. The Israeli's are pitiful at convincing the world, other than the US, that they have to stand up to the tactics of the Palestinians. I am in full agreement with the Palestinian cause , but I think the Palestinian tactics are deplorable. Arafat may have been neutered in recent years, but he spent decades supporting terror, and is every bit the "war criminal" that Sharon is! (and Sharon probably is a war criminal, and as long as Palestinian/Syrian/Egyptian and Lebanese "War Criminals" are prosecuted in the same way as Sharon, I would not mind him seeing trial".

As far as stopping terror before negociations begin, I think that is an outstanding idea! If a representative of the PA does not speak for all the people, then how can he cut a deal? We all know that if "peace" were achieved today, that certain Palestinian factions would continue, as their aim of wiping the earch of the Jews has not been met.

So is it over? The intifada has fizzled, life is returning to normal in Israel. Every day more of the wall is built. Israel is single handedly proposing withdrawls from Gaza. The territories are a wreck. If Arafat were a General he would be court marshalled. If he were actaully freely elected, he would be defeated. (funny that the intifada came up as Arafat was due to be reelcted). The resolution of the Green Line is not complete, but essentially Israel is defining peace on it's own terms. (And by the way, Sharon is proposing peace plans so liberal his own party is voting against them, and he is firing dissenting cabinet members! Dang war criminal...) Hammas and Islamic Jihad have been driven underground, and are so threatened that their names cannot be disclosed. The only thing that is going right for the Palestinians is their propaganada war. But that will not be enough to change conditions.

The telling tale is this. Syria Jordan Egypt and Lebanon did not line up tanks and threaten Isreal for the sake of the Palestnians. They paid lip service, and they want peace. No one flooded money into the territories to rebuild. Iran sent arms, but that is simply letting the Palestinians die waging a proxy war. The arab world has abandoned the Palestinians in everyway but lip service. Talk is cheap, and there is a lot of that, but the Saudi's dropped their peace effort after a minimal attempt. So we get a few nuisance law suits, a couple meaningless UN votes, a bunch of talking heads on Al-Jazeerea but nothing more. Essentially impotent.

The Isreali's have won the battle, and are on the verge of winning the war.

I can almost feel the foam coming out of your mouth OG. You quoted Krauthammer who is known to be ant-islam and ant-arab, nice going. I see how you side stepped the question related to UN declaring israel occupation illegal not to mention the wall. Like PA said, only irad should be punished for violating the UN resolution and let our poodles disgusting children killer (Israelis) have free reign and oh lets supply them with more weapons. You can glee all you want, but remember this, Israel will pay for the blood of innocents, for dislocating thousands upon thousands from their land, for illegal occupation and many more attrocities that are kept secret. I frimly believe "Khudda kay ghar dayr hai, andher nahi" there time will come.

The wall stops blood from spilling Kaleem. The wall forces the Pals. to look at where they are at and will likely realize they have been used as pawns by the PA and militants for decades.

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The wall stops blood from spilling Kaleem. The wall forces the Pals. to look at where they are at and will likely realize they have been used as pawns by the PA and militants for decades.
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You are missing the point, the wall could have easily been built on Israelis land. Why did they have to build it on occupied Palestinian land? Simple, because Israelis are land grabbing nation, always have been. This is not the solution, it is the recipe for further trouble in the region. But then that is what Sahron wants, gives him the excuse to kill more innocent Palestinians. After all he is not known as a butcher for nothing.

Don't open the champaign bottles too soon. There was a bomb blast in Tel Aviv today. Unfortunate, yes. Is Intifada over? You tell me. Building wall and neutralizing/insulting Arafat is not likely to solve the "problem". Give Palestinians a contigous land to live with freedom, East Jerusalem as their capital and either limited right of return or compensation to displaced Palestinians. Now we are talking.