Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
I dont think a Europe with a large Muslim population would turn into another Afghanistan!
It may be good in that it would bring Muslims intot the policy making circles, and aswell as bring a little of the secular tolerance of Europe to Muslims.
And I dont recall supporting strong action in Afghanistan and Western Pakistan… Im not sure what should be done in either place.. I think you screwed no matter what approach you take. Just have to figure which is the lesser evil.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Basically all countries who have high standard of living have low birth rates. Countries which have standard of living have lots of social programs such as welfare and healthcare. To support those programs they need a large tax payer base. Now with a declining birthrate, their tax payer base is shrinking. And since the elderly make up a powerful voting block in Europe, they are allowing foreigners to come to work to generate revenue to support these programs.
If these politicans cut back the welfare programs, many of these elderly will have to rely on their children to support them. When that happens, the parents will need to have more kids to support them. And thus the population will grow.
Same thing happened to Germany after World War I. The german Economy was devastated, and thus their population grew.
Europeans colonized Europe but the Europeans left. These people are coming to stay permanently.
And no offense there should be atleast one place on this planet where there are no Africans or Arabs.
And Europe has its own culture which should be different from Africa.
In my opinion I want Europe to remain a White-Christian Continent.
Just as Middle East should remain an Arab-Islamic Area.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
DOES ANYONE SMELL THE RANCID SMELL OF IRONY HERE!
How many times have Jew been kicked out of Europe? These people havent been welcome anywhere, not even in Israel itself.. And now this shmukS warning Europeans of the influx of Muslims into Europe!
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
umm.. The same people who have been kicked out of Europe on so many occasions, are now warning Europe on the infulx of Muslims? Is it that difficult to figure out?
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Why? Why is this a Muslim “invasion”? After a century or more of imperialsim, I think Muslims have just as much right to inhabit Europe as anyone else. Before you talk, maybe you should book a ticket back to wherever you came from.
Do you agree with everything coming out of the Western world? What do you get from licking their rear ends?
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
hey Europe's own doing, backlash of colonial adventures..
greed took them to foriegn lands where they robbed those lands blind on the blood and sweat of locals, when they finally left, the greed continued in how trade was being handled, greed and sloth meant that the same former colonies ppl to be brought in to work for peanuts so the greed can still be satisfied.
well, dinn think bout long term implications did they.
Live with it, deal with it. when europeans whine oh our culture, our way of life, our this our that, well that is exactly what your people did to asia, middle east and africa..not to mention americas and australia, what got in your way was killed.
There are accounts of my ancesators beahded heads on poles at city entrance to show people what the english do to anyone who dared stand up for their rights.
These europeans have it easy, live with it, deal with it, change is inevitable.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
If these politicans cut back the welfare programs, many of these elderly will have to rely on their children to support them. When that happens, the parents will need to have more kids to support them. And thus the population will grow.
And how exactly are these elderly folks going to get support, when they are old & childrenless? What you are trying to say will take atleast 2-3 generations, in order to have enough children for a positive population growth rate. And that is enough time for their economies to crumble. In the mean time, the only solution they have is immigration.
Europeans colonized Europe but the Europeans left. These people are coming to stay permanently.
The effects of European colonialist on the rest of the world are still visible today. Just look at Pakistan & India.
Why can't Africans & Arabs do this kind of thing to Europe?
And no offense there should be atleast one place on this planet where there are no Africans or Arabs.
Why?
Just as Middle East should remain an Arab-Islamic Area.
For that to happen, we would need to ship a large percent of Jews back to Europe, no?
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
What do you call thousands of people coming to Europe unwelcome?
So if Pakistan ruled Bangladesh, that means that all Bengalis can come and live in Pakistan and replace their culture with ours ?
No they don't. The Turks ruled over the Arab world so that means all Arabs have a right to move their as revenge.
Arabs moving there are economic migrants. If they want to work, they can work, but that doesnt mean they take over the country like they have done in Paris and make one of the most beautiful cities in the world into a Middle East Ghetto.
What a typical response. Dude, I live in Canada which is founded on immgration. Europe is not.
Well whats coming out of your mouth is nothing intelligent.
I disagree with many aspects of the Western World but I do not want Europe to be taken over by Arabs and Blacks. Just because they ruled over them that does not automatically give them a right to move there.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Exactly. They will have to go through a tough time but in the long run it will help them.
Sure there is.
Because I want one part of this world free of Arabs and Blacks. Where its safe, there are no ghettos, no racial tensions, and none of that other garbage that comes with this.
If Bosnia can be a Muslim country in Europe, then Israel can be a jewish country in the Middle East.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Whether you like it or not.
Why are you in the West. If you think they have no right to move there you should apply the same rule to yourself and go back to Pakistan. It is hypocrisy to criticise others for what you have done yourself.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Exactly. That long run is probably around after 50-70 years of depression.
Because I want one part of this world free of Arabs and Blacks. Where its safe, there are no ghettos, no racial tensions, and none of that other garbage that comes with this.
Well I also didn't want Europeans to colonize Arabia & Africa, and wanted it to be free of tension.
If Bosnia can be a Muslim country in Europe, then Israel can be a jewish country in the Middle East.
You are contradicting your previous statements. Going by what you just said, you've just agreed (what you previously disagreed) that there is nothing wrong with Muslims coming to Europe, and declaring independence.
Re: Israeli historian: Islam converts change face of Europe
Who came into Europe unwelcomed? If Europeans don't want Muslims, why are they allowing Muslims to immigrate to Europe?
Absurd logic you have.
The fact of the matter is that Europeans do want skilled immigrants, to run their economies. If they don't like Muslims, they can follow your idea and stop allowing them to immigrate, causing the local economies to decline drastically.
I disagree with many aspects of the Western World but I do not want Europe to be taken over by Arabs and Blacks. Just because they ruled over them that does not automatically give them a right to move there.
So what right did the Europeans have to rule them?