Israel is not an Arab issue! The first Qibla of Islam and the third holiest site in Islam is in Jerusalem. We are Muslims first! As far as recognizing it is concerned than we are not traitors like Egypt, Jordan and Turkey. If some Arabs have lost all morality and their faith, then we won't!!!!
We are the leaders of the Muslim world and will rightly prove so!
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Israel is not an Arab issue! The first Qibla of Islam and the third holiest site in Islam is in Jerusalem. We are Muslims first! As far as recognizing it is concerned than we are not traitors like Egypt, Jordan and Turkey. If some Arabs have lost all morality and their faith, then we won't!!!!
We are the leaders of the Muslim world and will rightly prove so!
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Jerusalem is a holy city for the Muslims, Jews and Cristians. If a Palestinian state is formed then we should accept Israel.yeh jazbaati hone waali baat nahi....use your brain!! The state of Israel has been formed and its a fact that you cant drive a nation into the sea!
Yes, Israeli agencies are carrying out terrorist activities against the Palestinian people but once an independent Palestinian state is formed, we should accept Israel.
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*Originally posted by PaKpatriot1: *
If Pakistan doesnt recognize Israel, India will have a huge leverage over us. An Indian-Israeli Nexus is the last thing Pakistan needs...
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It already exists. Accepting Isreal would not change that since the religion Pakistan is based tells them not to trust the people of religion Isreal is based on!
I agree with the brothers who were talking before. Israel is not an Arab issue, it is a muslim issue. We should'nt recognize Israel until they treat the Palestinians fairly and an equitable solution to the problem is found. Yet at the same time we should learn to clearly distinguish between Arab issues and Muslim issues. Especially since the leaders of many Arab states are not interested in Islam or other muslims, we should realize this and plan accordingly understanding that in case of conflict they would likely back India before us.
Re: Accepting Israel.
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Salam ppl
What you think of excepting state of Israel? My opinion of that is...YES
we should except Isreal without any doubt and its right to exist. Not only that, some arab nations such as Egypt,Jordan, and Turkey excepted it..why can't we. Secondly, those Lousy arabs has given us nothing in the past. And as long as Palestine issue, LET them ( Arabs) fight their own war..don't drag any other Islamic state such as Pakistan in the middle. Anyway, just tell me what you think?
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Its mentality of people like you that pakistan and most muslim countries around the world have become nothing more then puppet states. Today you dont want pakistan to be dragged into some other muslim countries issues tomorow no one will stand up for you either. If u notice usa has allies who are always with them that is why they are strong they are united. If they were not united they would not be as strong as they are.
Pakistan let usa use the army bases and flying facilities to bomb afghanistan, is that not being dragged into a situation which is much more shameful. Then they moved into iraq, they are talking about iran and they have slowly and steadly started talking about there so called allies saudi arabia and pakistan in a negetive way. If it carries on like this all islamic states will be bombed one by one and muslims will be helping non belivers to do so.
As for accepting Isreal i dont really think it makes any difference if we do or not economically. Yeah but morality and religeon says we should stand by our muslim brothers. Islam goes as far as stating that it is farz to fight for your muslim brothers. If not capeable physically atleast show you are with them mentaly.
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Ppl think about WE don't have ANY dispute with Israel so far...so why can't we. Above all we'll get more help from Israel strategically. Rahayy..MMA..round em up and kill them all. Those hypos Mullahs.
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Dream on, you think Israel will help PAK? Not even in their dreams. Haven't we learned from the betrayal of amrecans?
I say NO to accepting Israel.
Israel is not a Muslim or Arab issue. It is a humanity issue. Accepting a country created by the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and where the remaining Arabs live like second class citizens (similar to apartheid) is morally wrong. It would be like accepting South Africa during the apartheid days. How can we accept such a barbaric country.
Accept Isreal, Yes!!! :Lets make life alot easy for all of us!! Live and let live,
I dont see what difference it will make whether Pakistan accepts Israel or not. Like it or not Israel is here to stay. this quote from a NY times article sums it up nicley: .."U.S. diplomat in the Middle East said to me, Israel — not Iraq, not India — is "a constant reminder to Muslims of their own powerlessness."
Well the “evil” Israelis have allowed this…
http://www.paktoday.com/permit1.htm
Israel To Let Pakistanis Visit Holy Shrines
By: Zia Iqbal Shahid
BRUSSELS: The stipulation of “all countries of the world except Israel” in Pakistani passport will not hamper the realization of the dreams of Pakistani Muslims to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque, Dome of the Rock and other venerated holy shrines in Al-Quds Al-Sharif as Israeli government declares that Pakistani citizens are allowed to visit Israel whenever they wish to do so.
Talking to The News, Israeli ambassador, accredited to EU and also covering the NATO, Dr Oded Eran, said Israeli consulates across the globe would not refuse any visa application submitted by any Pakistani. In the circumstance that Pakistan has no diplomatic relations with Israel, Israeli consulates would grant visa to most of the Pakistani applicants assuming that their “passports are valid.”
“Israel has imposed no restriction on Pakistanis intending to travel to Israel. Recognition of Israel by the Government of Pakistan is not there, as yet, but Pakistanis are free to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque, Dome of the Rock and other shrines and holy places in Jerusalem after getting their visas stamped from Israeli consulates in any nearest neighbouring country of Pakistan”, Ambassador Oded Eran continued.
He said: “It is up to Pakistan to keep the stipulation of ‘all countries of the world except Israel’ or delete it; Israel will not block any Pakistanis visit to Israel. All holy places in Israel are open for not only Pakistanis but also for Muslims from all Islamic countries. We would like to live peacefully with Islamic countries, some of them have already recognised us and others are talking on this issue.”
Oded Eran had been extensively involved in Israel’s official talks with several Islamic countries. In a previous interview with The News, Ambassador Eran was the first to trigger the debate on Israel’s recognition by Pakistan, when he stated that Israel would follow an even-handed approach in his country’s relations with India and Pakistan if Pakistan decided to accord recognition to Israel. Later, President Pervez Musharraf, during an interview with The Geo TV channel, took a note of the views expressed by the Israeli official representative and encouraged an open debate on this issue.
Asked whether any kind of official contact existed between Israel and Pakistan, Eran said, “I am not aware of any official contact so far. Israeli and Pakistani diplomats do meet informally in various capitals of the world and they do have friendly exchanges but you cannot call it official contacts.”
Hoping that Muslim countries would come to terms to the existence of Israel, Eran declared, “We do not have any conflict with any Muslim country, including Pakistan. We do not have any conflict with Islam, as a religion and we hope that Islamic countries will respond positively.” The Israeli envoy was optimistic that the entire Muslim world would recognise Israel as he claimed such indicators were there.
“I have already visited six Muslim countries, including some of those which have not accorded recognition to Israel,” Eran said, but declined to give further details when asked to identify such Islamic countries. “I notice lots of goodwill in Islamic countries and that is very encouraging for us,” he said.
Making repeated reference to Israeli government’s permission to citizens from Pakistan and other Islamic countries to visit Israel, he said, "Not only that I have visited six Islamic countries, thousands of Muslims from these countries are visiting the holy places like Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third most important Muslim place of prayer after Makkah and Medina, built in AD 720, is situated on the southernmost side of the Temple Mount, Al-Quds Al-Sharif. Dome of the Rock in Al-Quds is a gloriously beautiful Islamic shrine, built in A D 691. The rock is also believed to have been the point from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to glimpse heaven during the miraculous night journey described in the 17th Sura of the Quran.
Enquired about any official demand made by the Israeli government to obliterate the “Valid for all countries except Israel” inscription from Pakistani Passport, Oded Eran said, “It entirely depends on Pakistan to consider it. We will not prevent Pakistanis desiring to visit Israel or go to the holy places because of this stipulation in their passport”
To a question on the possibility of designating third countries to look after the interests of Israel and Pakistan in their respective capitals prior to establishing full diplomatic relations, he said: “We are interested in developing diplomatic relations with Pakistan in any form acceptable to both the countries. Yes, Pakistan and Israel may agree on the countries which would safeguard their interests in both the capital. Or alternatively, both the countries may have their diplomats, for a start, operating from the embassies of some friendly countries in the capitals of Pakistan and Israel”.