Israel seeks Pak recognition / Islamabad will not recognize Israel (merged)

It is about time we take that step, at least to keep our pesky neighbor at bay.

Israel seeks Pak recognition

By Zia Iqbal Shahid

BRUSSELS: Encouraged by Arab leaders support to the US-backed roadmap for Middle East peace, Israel has assured Islamabad of an even-handed approach towards India and Pakistan if it decides to take a decision to recognise Israel.

As Egypt and Jordan are all set to re-send their ambassadors to Tel Aviv, Israel wants diplomatic recognition by other Islamic countries including Pakistan. In its core argument tabled to President Bush, Israeli administration has contended; “We recognise the state of Palestine, which has accorded recognition to Israel through the roadmap. Now the time has come that other Islamic countries including Pakistan accord recognition to us”.

Talking to The News, Israel’s ambassador, accredited to EU and also covering the NATO, Dr Oded Eran, said, “Pakistan is an important player and we understand its importance in the Islamic world. That is why there is no question of pursuing a hostile policy towards Pakistan”.

Dr Oded Eran, known for his skill of negotiating with Islamic countries, categorically announced that Israel would not get involved or take sides in the dispute between India and Pakistan. “India recognises Israel, but our relations with India should not be misconstrued as hostile towards Pakistan or China,” he said.

In view of the guarantee given by the government of Ariel Sharon to follow an even-handed approach towards India and Pakistan, Western diplomats in Brussels indicate that Pakistan may consider taking a decision to accord recognition to Israel after President Pervez Musharraf’s upcoming visit to Washington.

Buoyed by the glimmer of hope for peace in the Middle East as a result of the recent acceptance of the roadmap by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority ¶, the US has decided to play a central role in giving impetus to the process of seeking formal diplomatic recognition for Israel by Islamic countries including Pakistan, Western diplomats in Brussels confirmed.

“Some Islamic countries are already engaged in closet discussions related to a possible quid pro quo for according recognition to Israel,” a western diplomat said on condition of anonymity showing a report, which purports several Pakistani political leaders and businessmen having been in contact with Israel in a clandestine way.

“India has recognised Israel but we have no intention to get involved in the conflicts between India and Pakistan. We hope an important country such as Pakistan would understand our position as our differences can be resolved by talking to each other,” Eran emphasized.

Asked whether Israel would be willing to provide defence equipment if Pakistan accords recognition, the envoy said, “We have a long way to walk. We want to have good relations with Islamic states and Pakistan is a very important country. When we start discussing the areas of cooperation only then we can think of such an area.”

Answering a question about a possible give and take for Israel’s recognition, the ambassador assured that Pakistan would benefit in the same way as other Islamic countries have benefited in strengthening their economies after according recognition to Israel. “Increased economic security is always a part of such initiatives,” he added.

Asked to delineate the prospects of taking a joint stand by three de facto nuclear states – India, Israel and Pakistan – to demand de jure international status as nuclear states, Eran was quick to respond, “I will prefer not answering this question”.

In response to yet another question he said, “The recognition of Israel is an important element of the roadmap, which denotes acceptance of Israel as a reality by the Muslim and Arab world”.

“The roadmap envisages the possibility of a web of our relations in economic, infrastructure, trade and other areas. Only such relations can promote mutual understanding. This is the only way to benefit from the fruits of peace in the Middle East,” he said.

Islamabad will not recognize Israel

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: June 18 (PNS) - Minister for Information and Broadcasting Sheikh Rashid Ahmed on Tuesday ruled out the possibility of recognizing Israel.

Talking to newsmen in Parliament House Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said, Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali has already given a clear statement in this behalf and there should be no doubt about it.

When his attention was drawn to the President’s statement on the subject, he said, the President has referred to the “Middle East Peace Road-Map” according to which Palestine is to be made a state.

He made it clear that Kashmir and continuity of the nuclear programme are on the prime agenda, so there will be no bargaining on these two highly important matters of the country.

Islamabad will not recognize Israel:dhimpak::dhimpak:

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what this is? why no recognisise? what bad is Israel? it also only country is democrasy for peapul! why Pakistan say not recognisent? fool saying I think. How palstine come with ni Israel?

Frankly, I'm a bit dis-appointed by the decision of not recognizing the State of Isreal. IMHO, this was a great oppertunity for both the countries to come a one step closer to each other, and root out the mis- understandings. Also, this would have given the Pakistanis a chance to play an active role and help defuse the crisis b/w the two neighbors.

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what this is? why no recognisise? what bad is Israel? it also only country is democrasy for peapul! why Pakistan say not recognisent? fool saying I think. How palstine come with ni Israel?
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The Zionists occupied a country called Palestine. How can you recognize thieves??? They are opressors, doing terrorist activities against innocent Palestinians. So called Israel has no right to exist!

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The Zionists occupied a country called Palestine. How can you recognize thieves??? They are opressors, doing terrorist activities against innocent Palestinians. So called Israel has no right to exist!
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In case you didnt know, this tommy guy is an Indian... Its no use explaining all this to him

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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *
Frankly, I'm a bit dis-appointed by the decision of not recognizing the State of Isreal. IMHO, this was a great oppertunity for both the countries to come a one step closer to each other, and root out the mis- understandings. Also, this would have given the Pakistanis a chance to play an active role and help defuse the crisis b/w the two neighbors.
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lol amreeka bhi active role khail raha hay and they havent gotten very far with israel considering the fact that the giev huge amounts of financil and military aid :p

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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *
Frankly, I'm a bit dis-appointed by the decision of not recognizing the State of Isreal. IMHO, this was a great oppertunity for both the countries to come a one step closer to each other, and root out the mis- understandings. Also, this would have given the Pakistanis a chance to play an active role and help defuse the crisis b/w the two neighbors.
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are you also disapointed that pakistan not accepting the occupation and mass terror in kashmir by India also what about iraq maybe we should all accept the wondeful job the american marines are doing there inflicting misery wherever they go!

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are you also disapointed that pakistan not accepting the occupation and mass terror in kashmir by India also what about iraq maybe we should all accept the wondeful job the american marines are doing there inflicting misery wherever they go!
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ak47, Isrealis occupying Palestine, and Indians occupying Kashmir are two different topics. So please dont try to mix it up. BTW Jordan, where more then half of the population are Palestianians recognize the state of Isreal. Egypt, another strong Muslim country also have strong cordial working relationship with the Isrealis. Out of total 56 OIC members( I might be wrong on the number 56 ), more then half of them have very close relationship with the Isrealis.
I think what we are doing at the moment by not recognizing the state of Isreal, is being more Arabs than Arabs themselves. We have to keep our national interest supreme, and IMHO, having a warm relationship b/w the two countries is better for Pakistan. I also think that in the beginning we just need to open up a small Isreali high commison office somewhere in Islamabad, and with the passage of time, we can enhance that working relationship into a full fledged strong diplomatic relationship. Also when we can have a working relationship with the Indians, who have been occupying Kashmir for past over half century, than why not Isreal.

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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *
ak47, Isrealis occupying Palestine, and Indians occupying Kashmir are two different topics. So please dont try to mix it up. BTW Jordan, where more then half of the population are Palestianians recognize the state of Isreal. Egypt, another strong Muslim country also have strong cordial working relationship with the Isrealis. Out of total 56 OIC members( I might be wrong on the number 56 ), more then half of them have very close relationship with the Isrealis.
I think what we are doing at the moment by not recognizing the state of Isreal, is being more Arabs than Arabs themselves.

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Your references are poor. Neither the Jordanian nor Egyptian governments have a mandate from the people of the land to recognise Israel - they are both dictatorships. The people who made and enforced the recognition of Israel in those countries did not consult their people before doing so.

Your claim that the Arabs recognise Israel is flawed, as the reality is that a few hundred Arabs, the ones in power and influence, recognise Israel.

The Palestinians who make up over half of Jordan's population had no say in the recognition of Israel - that decision was made by the ruling elite of the Bedouin minority in Jordan.

And in Egypt, those who publicly attempted to oppose and stop recognition of Israel had a tendency to end up on the wrong side of prison bars. Recognition of Israel was forced upon Egypt by a tinpot dictator.

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
Your references are poor. Neither the Jordanian nor Egyptian governments have a mandate from the people of the land to recognise Israel - they are both dictatorships. The people who made and enforced the recognition of Israel in those countries did not consult their people before doing so.
Your claim that the Arabs recognise Israel is flawed, as the reality is that a few hundred Arabs, the ones in power and influence, recognise Israel.
The Palestinians who make up over half of Jordan's population had no say in the recognition of Israel - that decision was made by the ruling elite of the Bedouin minority in Jordan.
And in Egypt, those who publicly attempted to oppose and stop recognition of Israel had a tendency to end up on the wrong side of prison bars. Recognition of Israel was forced upon Egypt by a tinpot dictator.
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Mad Scientist ji, to me it's very simple, if the Jordanian's dont agree with their government, throw them out of the power. The Iraninas did it against the Shah, Indonesians did it against Suharto. Besides, we the inhabitants of the land of pure have dealt with the Isrealis in the past. Not too long ago, we were doing money laundering for the Isrealis. All I'm saying is that let deal with Jews openly instead of covertly....

I have yet to be convinced that we should move towards recognition of Israel at this stage, but no doubt it will happen sometime if the circumstances are correct. In the meantime I think that the Pakistan government should at least lift the ban on Pakistani citizens travelling to Israel for a pligrimage to Jerusalem to visit the Masjid Al-Aqsa etc. No political party in Pakistan, even the religious one's should have an objection to that?

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I have yet to be convinced that we should move towards recognition of Israel at this stage, but no doubt it will happen sometime **if
* the circumstances are correct. In the meantime I think that the Pakistan government should at least lift the ban on Pakistani citizens travelling to Israel for a pligrimage to Jerusalem to visit the Masjid Al-Aqsa etc. No political party in Pakistan, even the religious one's should have an objection to that?
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Malik ji, you are absolutely right, and in the process also start a working relationship with the Isrealis. As far as the recognitiopn of the state of Isreal is concerned, we dont have to go all out and recognise them, just a working relationship. So that in future if our Pakistani brothers and sisters do face any problem while traveling to the state of Isreal
(Jerusalem), we do have some means to help them out.

Remember the guy who paired with the Israeli in tennis, becharay ko abhi bhi death threats atti hon gi...

Re: Israel seeks Pak recognition

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*Originally posted by lussi: *
It is about time we take that step, at least to keep our pesky neighbor at bay.

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Doesn't look like Israel is interested to help you keep your pesky neighbor at bay, as you wish. It is interested in getting formal recognition by everyone in the Muslim world. And the quid pro quo is only "economic benefits" as they have pointed. Trusting jews is never a good idea for muslims. Leave that to non-muslims... and think of some other way to keep your pesky neighbor at bay.

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*Originally posted by ZulfiOKC: *

Mad Scientist ji, to me it's very simple, if the Jordanian's dont agree with their government, throw them out of the power. The Iraninas did it against the Shah, Indonesians did it against Suharto. Besides, we the inhabitants of the land of pure have dealt with the Isrealis in the past. Not too long ago, we were doing money laundering for the Isrealis. All I'm saying is that let deal with Jews openly instead of covertly....
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Deal with jews openly i think its quite clear from your posts you are happy to accept the state of israel for whatever reason.

Your statement is not accurate, the muslim world does'nt except israeli state, it stole muslim land and is a big thorn in the side of the muslims.

Israel is occupied land no matter what dictators say we do not accept that at all they don;t represent any muslim. If the muslims voice was being represented by the so called leaders there would'nt be a single muslims who would accept the israeli state!

The zionist state of israel openly helps India kill muslims in Kashmir no doubt using there expertise in occupation techniques, and also they are helping them spy on Pakistan so israel is activly working against the muslims around the world and against pakistan also so it becomes an enemny state and should always be treated as one!

As for pakistan I appluad there decsion to not recognize the zionist state if it is sincere!

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Deal with jews openly i think its quite clear from your posts you are happy to accept the state of israel for whatever reason.

Your statement is not accurate, the muslim world does'nt except israeli state, it stole muslim land and is a big thorn in the side of the muslims.

Israel is occupied land no matter what dictators say we do not accept that at all they don;t represent any muslim. If the muslims voice was being represented by the so called leaders there would'nt be a single muslims who would accept the israeli state!

The zionist state of israel openly helps India kill muslims in Kashmir no doubt using there expertise in occupation techniques, and also they are helping them spy on Pakistan so israel is activly working against the muslims around the world and against pakistan also so it becomes an enemny state and should always be treated as one!

As for pakistan I appluad there decsion to not recognize the zionist state if it is sincere!
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Smaller sentences please.

If we can recognize India, why not Israel? Are Israelis any worse or better then the Indians?

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If we can recognize India, why not Israel? Are Israelis any worse or better then the Indians?
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India is NOT a colony of white european settlers who stole the land and oppressed the native people. India is ruled by its native people.

As of Israel, it is an illegal creation of British. Who gave the British the right to create Israel on A-rab land ? How would you feel if some white people invaded Pak-istan and gave Kara-chi to gypsies ?

If you want to recognize Isreal, then you should have also recognized Apartheid South Africa and other foreign colonies.