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No, Hizb don't have a nuke.I don't think Iran will give it to them.
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How can Iran give something which it does not have?
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Israel has lost this war.
Let's not come to conclusion so soon.This bombing is going to last atleast 10 more days.
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We are not sure about that. Are we ? that Iran has Nuke or not?
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If Iran had a nuke, Israel would not be acting so brutal and aggressive.
And Iran would show the world at first that it has a nuke by testing it.
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Well Iran having nukes or not are all assumptions.Neither you nor I know about that.But I also hope that Iran doesn't have them.
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I hope they do. Take that "also" out.
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Assuming Iran have nukes there are again 2 assumptions.
1.Israel knows about it
2.Israel doesn't know about it
Assuming no.1 to be true, I don't think that would have stopped Israel from what it has been doing now.
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If you hope Iran has Nukes they why do you have contradictory assumption .
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Israel is acting brutal ,so does it indicate that Israel thinks Iran has no nukes.
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But I think whether Iran has nukes or not that would not have changed the brutal way Israel is acting now.
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Come again?
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Military Matters: Hezbollah’s Achievement
By William S. Lind
Jul 21, 2006
With Hezbollah’s entry into the war between Israel and Hamas, Fourth Generation War has taken another developmental step forward. For the first time, a non-state entity has gone to war with a state not by waging an insurgency against a state invader, but across an international boundary. Again we see how those who define 4GW simply as insurgency are looking at only a small part of the picture. I think the stakes in the Israel-Hezbollah-Hamas war are significantly higher than most observers understand. **If Hezbollah and Hamas win – and winning just means surviving, given that Israel’s objective is to destroy both entities – a powerful state will have suffered a new kind of defeat, again, a defeat across at least one international boundary and maybe two, depending on how one defines Gaza’s border. **The balance between states and 4GW forces will be altered world-wide, and not to a trivial degree. So far, Hezbollah is winning. As Arab states stood silent and helpless before Israel’s assault on Hamas, another non-state entity, Hezbollah, intervened to relieve the siege of Gaza by opening a second front. Its initial move, a brilliantly conducted raid that killed eight Israeli soldiers and captured two for the loss of one Hezbollah fighter, showed once again that Hezbollah can take on state armed forces on even terms. Tthe Chechens are the only other 4GW force to demonstrate that capability. In both respects, the contrast with Arab states will be clear on the street, pushing the Arab and larger Islamic worlds further away from the state.
Hezbollah then pulled off two more firsts. It responded effectively to terror bombing from the air, which state think is their monopoly, with rocket barrages that reached deep into Israel. Once can only imagine how this resonated world-wide with people who are often bombed but can never bomb back. And, it attacked another state monopoly, navies, by hitting and disabling a blockading Israeli warship with something. I question Israel’s claim that the weapon was a C-801 anti-ship missile, which should have sunk a small missile corvette.
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/security/article_21229672.shtml
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We are not sure about that. Are we ? that Iran has Nuke or not?
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If Iran had a nuke, Israel would not be acting so brutal and aggressive.
And Iran would show the world at first that it has a nuke by testing it.
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You test something when you made it yourself. There is no certainty that Iran has developed indigenous nuclear weapon capability (though it is possible).
Anyhow, large portion of USSR all sort of military arsenal (including nuclear mounted ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs) were in Kazakhstan and some in other central Asian countries. It is open secret that at that time, most of those weapons (including nuclear weapons) were available in black market. Even Russian generals and army units were selling them. [Note: Kazakhstan was the most military equipped of all Russian lands as it was in central of USSR and most Russians strategic arsenal was considered safe here)
At that time, western media even started spreading rumours of briefcase nuclear devices in the hand of terrorist organisation as Russia had them and many disappeared. USA offered their service to Russia to destroy abandoned nuclear devices. Most central states declared that they are not interested in keeping nuclear devices.
Regardless, it is obvious that Russians nuclear devices (that included intercontinental ballistic missiles and other missiles of various ranges, most in Kazakhstan and other newly independent central Asian states) was available for those willing to pay for it and had access to the region. Even weapons in the hand of army within Russia, was available in the black market.
Due to involvement and being in vicinity, two countries could have taken most advantage of this situation, if they wanted to. They are Pakistan and Iran. Both took millions of Afghan refugees and both were supporting guerrilla warfare in Afghanistan. Later, when this black marketing of Russian weapons started (following collapse of USSR), Iran was much closer to northern alliance and newly independent central Asian countries.
Now it is anyone guess that Iran (as well as Pakistan) did not took advantage of acquiring Russian abandoned weapons (that included various type of missiles and nuclear warheads). I think that if Pakistan and Iran wanted to, there is no reason to believe that they have not taken advantage of the situation.
So, noting can be said with surety (all is speculative) though there is more likely chance than not, that Iran has huge arsenal of Russian missiles and nuclear warheads that can reach anywhere in the world.
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I think that he is right. Having nuclear weapon does not stop people resisting or countries behaving badly.
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Analysts say Israel has not seriously damaged Hizbullah
Military analysts in Israel have begun to question whether the nine-day intense bombardment of Hizbullah positions in Lebanon is achieving its stated aim of destroying the militia’s capabilities. Hizbullah’s Katyusha rockets are still hitting northern Israel at the rate of more than 100 a day, and it still has a heavily armed presence on the border. Israel’s military chief warned yesterday that the conflict with Lebanon could drag on longer than expected. “The fighting in the north could last much longer,” Lieutenant General Dan Halutz wrote in a letter to his troops. “We will operate for as long as necessary until security is returned to the state of Israel.” Israeli forces and Hizbullah gunmen had clashed on the Lebanese side of the border, according to the Israeli army. Four Israeli soldiers were killed, al-Jazeera TV reported. Hizbullah said that it had destroyed two Israeli tanks near Marun al-Ras. The Israeli military said it had struck 200 “Katyusha rocket launching sites” since what it calls “Operation Change of Direction” began last week. Last night the Israelis confirmed two of its Apache attack helicopters had collided and crashed near Ramat Naftali, six miles from the Lebanese border, injuring five. “So far we destroyed some 50% of Hizbullah’s capabilities,” said Shaul Mofaz, now transport minister but formerly a hawkish defence minister. “Until now, with the start of the ninth day, the operation went as scheduled, and more time is needed in order to target Hizbullah’s capability.” But last night, Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah dismissed claims that the Israeli strikes had depleted his arsenal, saying that Hizbullah had “absorbed” the attacks.
Military analysts in Israel’s leading newspapers, who often reflect the army’s thinking, raised the prospect of big troop incursions into Lebanon. Just a few days ago, the same analysts predicted the operation would need only another week or two. Now they are describing it as the second Lebanon war, bringing back memories of the 1982 invasion and subsequent 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon, which is regarded as Israel’s biggest military mistake. ** “For eight days, the Israeli defence forces have been pounding Lebanon and dropping thousands of tonnes of bombs on it, yet Hizbullah remains the same intransigent rival as before. It is showing no signs of breaking,” Amos Harel wrote in the Haaretz newspaper yesterday.** He said it would be difficult for Israel to stop the operation and still show any real political achievements. Significant civilian casualties in northern Israel, or among the military, could lessen the considerable public support within Israel for the war. In the Ma’ariv newspaper, Amir Rappaport warned that the fight would escalate. “The second Lebanon war will be accompanied by tough battles on the ground. We hope that there will not be many more casualties, but yesterday’s hard fighting was certainly only the beginning.”
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Where does all these leave Lebanon.What did Lebanon do to deserve this.Is there anybody who is thinking about Lebabnon's plight.
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I was wondering what is the best way to end all these.Ceasefire . But will both sides agree ?
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Israel calls up reservists, Rice announces trip
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israel called up army reservists on Friday for a possible major ground assault against Hizbollah in Lebanon, as Washington announced a diplomatic drive and said the conflict’s root causes had be tackled before any ceasefire.
Fearing a large Israeli ground attack, thousands of Lebanese civilians fled north after the Jewish state warned them to leave border villages and kept up a 10-day-old air bombardment.
Amid mounting world alarm at the crisis, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she would visit the Middle East next week and attend an Italian-hosted international conference in Rome on Wednesday in a bid to secure lasting peace.
The United States, Israel’s main ally, has rebuffed Lebanon’s appeals for an immediate U.N.-backed ceasefire, saying this would not last unless Hizbollah guerrillas, backed by Syria and Iran, were prevented from attacking the Jewish state.
Rice told a news conference in Washington an immediate truce would be a “false promise” if the root causes of the fighting were not addressed.
“An immediate ceasefire without political conditions does not make sense,” she said. “What I won’t do is … try to get a ceasefire that I know isn’t going to last.”
Washington supported proposals for an expanded international force on the Israel-Lebanon border but details were not fixed, a senior U.S. official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. A 2,000-strong U.N force monitors the border at present.
Israel has so far failed to stop Hizbollah cross-border rocket attacks despite its bombardment, which has killed 345 people in Lebanon and forced half a million to leave their homes. About 90 percent of those killed were civilians.
Reuters
Looks like no ceasefire right now.This is bad news.
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Egypt protest indicates Arab mood
Next to them were pictures of the late Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser - the man who for decades symbolised Arab revolt against Western hegemony some 50 years ago. Cairo protesters hold up pictures of Nasrallah and Nasser This was a small demonstration - there are few who dare challenge emergency laws in Egypt. Demonstrating could land you in jail, and the intimidating state security police outnumbered the protesters here. But the slogans are very much in tune with the public mood in the region. The protesters say that Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah is fighting to free Lebanese and Palestinian captives, while Arab leaders are impotent and cannot stop Israeli bombs falling over Arab cities.
Fiery speeches
The demonstrators here do not believe that Hezbollah is fighting Israel on behalf of Iran, as it is widely believed elsewhere. But the most interesting thing about this protest was that the demonstrators were flying pictures of Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah next to those of the late Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser - the army officer who became a symbol of Arab pride and independence from Western influence back in the 1950s. Is Nasrallah then becoming a new kind of Nasser? Like Nasser, Nasrallah is a charismatic and populist politician who knows how to rouse the masses with fiery speeches. He is also fiercely anti-Israeli, as was Nasser. But Nasser’s battles with the Israelis ended in disaster and no-one knows yet how it will turn out for Nasrallah. But the linkage between Nasser and Nasrallah speaks volumes about the mood of the region. **And the question is whether the Arab world is on the threshold of a new era of radical politics with characteristic hostility to Israel and the West, as dominated the region 50 years ago. **
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The risks of a ground offensive are not lost on the Israelis. They failed to pacify southern Lebanon in a bloody 18 year campaign that ended in 2000 with the withdrawal of Israeli forces and Hezbollah as the uncontested power in the south.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060721/pl_afp/mideastconflictisraeli
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Israel has lost this war.
Israel has yet to invade lebanon
dont count your chickens before they hatch