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Yes, some Christian groups did, and sometimes those groups allied with Hezbollah against other groups. The Lebanese civil war was much more complicated than Sunni vs. Shia vs. Christian.
Hezbollah always protected its Christian neighbors. They could have routed us out and killed us, they had the capability, but they are not as inhumane as the Israelis.
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I have mixed feelings towards them. Oh and mercenary I am not really interested in the opinions of expatriates, they might hate Hezbollah, granted, but really can they do anything about it?
What matters is what Lebanese IN Lebanon think, and I can say with confidence that the Shia support them and most of the Sunnis do as well, and as for the rest of the Christians they have mixed feelings towards them.
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What matters is what Lebanese IN Lebanon think
tell that to the syrians
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We have and they actually respect our wishes. We cannot say the same for your American and Israeli masters.
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Tell that to Rafik al-Hariri.
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Minority (Sunni) leaders don’t count.
Majority (Shia) do count.
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what about them?
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if there are free and fair elections in lebanon, how will they vote?
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depends on who are the candidates. I personally would vote for any Hezbollah endorsed candidate, but moreover what I want and what the Lebanese want is someone who looks out for everyone in Lebanon, regardless of sect. So far the ONLY group to do that is Hezbollah. It is only under thier leadership that Lebanon has survived. Other groups in Lebanon look out for thier own kind, which is understandable, but it hinders unity and lays the groundwork for another civil war.
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Two more Israeli soldiers killed by Hezbollah today, and two others injured.
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55 Lebanese civilians dead … and counting.
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Vote if Israel’s attack is justified.
I’ve posted it on another thread as well just to makesure that a lot of us vote.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/16/mideast/index.html
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welcome to the forum DaBest. I dont contribute much, but I do read on and off every so often, and your posts provide a very interesting perspective at this time.
you will find that people who post on WA are mostly idealogues of one form or the other, and therefore the most active perspective represented here is also often the most extreme. Dont take such views personally, nor representative of Pakistanies in general.
Inshallah I hope your family will be safe.
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Thanks for your welcome as well as your concerns, ravage. I hope to contribute as much as I can.
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There are constant ramblings and redirect you come across these days, such as Hezbollah will lay down its arm and Israel will win but history shows us otherwise. Hezbollah will not lay down its arms and Resolution 1559 is not the word of God like media is making it out to be. How can they talk about this Resolution when the preceding Resolutions were not implemented, starting from Resolution 181 on the partition of lands, 242 and 338?
Despite the civilian death toll in Lebanon and Gaza, despite the evidence of Israeli violations, US effectively given a green light to Israel’s destruction of Lebanon. It may seem that Israel may successes in laying Hezbollah to ground but the complete destructions would not harm their political appeal. Bombs will not end the desire for freedom; missiles will not force an acceptance of occupation and wipe out the desire of home.
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Some here seems to have views that people in Lebanon do not like Hezbollah. I think that it shows their ignorant mentality and nothing else.
Israelis punished Lebanon for decades, bombing them indiscriminately. When any people find themselves that helpless, they develop hate and anger towards aggressors (even those who did not had any hate before). They would love those (Hezbollah) who would fight against those (Israelis and Americans) that are cause of these atrocities over them. In such situation, any Lebanese organization tries to defend Lebanon and fights or stands against the aggression of Israelis (successfully or unsuccessfully) would have become hero. Hezbollah are the only group of people in Lebanon who fought or stood against Israel.
Thus, it is obvious that Hezbollah would become most popular amongst the people of Lebanon (regardless of their sect or creed), as symbol of Lebanese resolved determination to fight and give resistance to Israelis (who are doing all sort of atrocities on Lebanese, with financial and military support of USA) killing and humiliating Lebanon.
** Israel is doing job for Hezbollah. More atrocities Israel would do on Lebanon, more bombing and killing of Lebanese by Israel, more Hezbollah would become popular in Lebanon.
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These atrocities and indiscriminate bombing by Israel is not developing hate and anger towards Jews and Israel only in Lebanon but in Muslim world, in poor world and surprisingly also amongst rich western world too. No one likes Israelis aggressive killing and murdering innocents indiscriminately or Israelis keeping Palestinian under occupation indefinitely.
The result of Israeli killing and attrocities and American supports for Israel is obvious in the form of lasting hate and lasting anger amongst world population against Israel and USA. It seems that for most people of the world, Israel and USA has become symbol of rouge state, axis of evil and partners of devil. It is only realization of helplessness amongst many in the world that is keeping this feeling suppressed but still obvious.
This was bound to happen, even if some coconut minds could not understand that. Jew controlled western media and their puppies (like many on this forum too) have always watered Israeli and American atrocities and behaviour but double standard of these lackeys is well known and too obvious.
** As for those who think that killing, bombing and atrocities by Israelis would stop resolves and resistance of the people suffering against Israel, they live in cuckoo land. Killing and bombing only increases the determination of people suffering. This is human nature.**
Lebanese (Hezbollah) and Palestinians (Hamas) are not alone and regardless, those whose life are as good as dead or to live under continuous humiliation and suffering, would find no reason to stop resistance until the day, their tormentor (Israel) suffer and feel similar pain, if not today then tomorrow.
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Hezbollah claims destruction of two Israeli tanks
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Hezbollah is still showing no signs of breaking
It was a bad news day. In the morning, Israeli forces in Lebanon clashed with Hezbollah near Avivim. Two soldiers were killed. In the afternoon, Hezbollah began to shell the entire northern region heavily. Scores of Katyusha rockets were fired and two children from Nazareth were killed. For eight days, the Israel Defense Forces has been pounding Lebanon and dropping thousands of tons of bombs on it, yet Hezbollah remains the same intransigent rival as before. It is showing no signs of breaking. The Israeli detail, operating in an especially entangled area in the former buffer zone, intended to take out Katyusha launchers. But the Hezbollah unit responsible for most of the short-range rocket fire from South Lebanon was not sufficiently harmed. The air force’s first assault last week, aimed at long-range rockets in central Lebanon, caused considerable damage. Now the army is conducting a series of small ground operations to trace launchers in the thicket close to the border. The soldiers in the Maroun Ras area found a compound in a forest, complete with weapons bunkers, shelters and launchers that had been prepared a long time in advance. From here, rockets were launched at Safed, Ma’alot and the Miron Air Force base. The Hezbollah group hiding there surprised the IDF force and in the close-range fire exchange, two Israeli soldiers and two Hezbollah members were killed. This incident illustrates three things. First, that like the IDF, Hezbollah too has been preparing for this confrontation for six years; second, that not everything can be done from the air. Third, that such a ground operation involves quite a few casualties and the government will have to consider this fact if it decides on a more massive invasion in the future.
The UN delegation that came to try to solve the crisis, is not optimistic. One member said it would be five-six weeks before the fighting ended. The envoys believe Hezbollah is not interested in a cease-fire and Israel cannot agree to one. Despite its losses, whose extent is debatable, and the destruction of its headquarters, the Shi’ite organization is far from feeling defeated. Apparently Iran is encouraging it to go on fighting, while Israel’s only real weapon is military pressure. Once Israel eases the pressure, Hezbollah will have no reason to reach an agreement. Deploying the Lebanese Army, a multinational force or both along the border, is in Israel’s interest and perhaps Lebanon’s, but not Hezbollah’s and certainly not Iran’s.
Israel in a trap
European diplomats believe Israel has maneuvered itself into a trap. It cannot stop the operation without having real political achievements to show its public, but prolonged fighting will seriously try its citizens’ fortitude and will not guarantee the expected achievements. When Hassan Nasrallah decided to launch the attack on Israel, he did not take into consideration the fundamental change in Israel’s attitude to fatalities - both its own and the enemy’s. There is, of course, a terrible human and psychological price for the murder of 15 Israeli civilians in a week, but we have experienced worse weeks and months. In March 2002 more than 130 Israelis were killed. On the other hand, the emotional callousness toward killing Palestinians applies to Lebanon as well. This enabled the government to order attacks on rockets inside houses in Lebanese villages, even though it was clear that many civilians would be killed as a result. The war in the north, which has no official name yet, is a strange confrontation in which front line and home front mix. The Gulf War in 1991was longer (about six weeks) and also threatened the center, but ended with one Israeli fatality. This time the north is under a much greater threat. But after a hard week there are no displays of hysterics like in Tel Aviv of '91. Those who want to leave do, but nobody is condemning them as they did in the past. A Home Front Command poll at the beginning of the week shows that most people in the north rate its fortitude as “medium to high.” Most residents do not intend to leave their homes and their level of solidarity with the military operation is very high.
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It is definitely NOT in Lebanon's interest. Deploying the army would fragment it, with the Shi'a in the army (the majority) taking arms alongside Hezbollah. The country would be in another civil war.