Israel Attacks Gaza With Airstrikes

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Morality is not granted, it is secured by force...by power..simple as that...when Muslims were strong no one dared to come close!

If iran cannot secure the safety of its citizens by power, then stop playing with fire...I hold iran completely responsible for all the misery its citizens have to face and will face

Same message for Hamas...even if they fire crackers but if they know retaliation will be hard core bombs, dont do it

and the logic that israel uses for blockades is the existence of hamas and hazb-ullah forces ... once Palestinians had gaza no matter how dysfunctional, hamas should have announced its dismantlement...in a year, israel would have backed out...they had to....these rich arab countries and iran who support hamas and hazb by giving weapons, could have poured billions and make gaza a heaven... these arab countries could have used their connections with US...they built dubai from nothing into a heaven..but hamas chose to take a different path.

and remember there are many examples where nations succeeded despite injustice dumped upon them...

Japan the best example in the modern history..who would have thought these stubborn Japaneses would put their head down to US

i mean US had used atomic bomb against them.... and worst they actually made jpaan a colony....Japaneses could have started a gorilla war....where would be japan today? but Japanese focused on a single goal...sustainable education, trade, science...

and even if it is only a fire cracker, it is a disruption and psychologically depressing..i am sure you wont appreciate one single fire cracker outside your home and you will demand retaliation...and if your government is strong it will retaliate...so onus is on weak to find the best possible but sustainable solution...powerful never bow down!

we will never reach to an agreement...so peace!

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Same message for Hamas...even if they fire crackers but if they know retaliation will be hard core bombs, dont do it

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And what if hamas didnt attack but retaliated to the killing of their commander? Did that ever occur to you?

And explain to me this; the commander they murdered was responsible for enforcing a peace treaty with Israel for the past few years, and he had the blueprint for a peace treaty for the next 5 years. What do you make of Israel targeting him in particular?

What do you make of the incursions into gaza by the idf last week; who came and shot dead two boys playing football and their rescuers? This btw was just before the rockets!

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That's because israel doesn't want peace and by killing him they wanted to keep the status quo .

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screw israel, its government and its supporters. it is sickening. because attacking gaza with missiles in response to a rocket that barely causes any casualties let alone kill innocent women men and children is acceptable. there is nothing that israel is standing up for, nothing is being portrayed with their attacks except for the xenophobia that has been embedded in that notsonice country for decades.

sick and tired of hearing uninformed and ignorant comments people make. learn the full extent of the issue.

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Are you serious?

They are caged in and are living like animals and are abused at every checkpoint. Their state is dying, healthcare education living conditions are disgusting, their land is being eaten up by invaders and you call firing a rocket ''psychologically depressing''?

O_o

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no, are you serious?
you have nothing new to offer for Palestinians....keep calling israel this, that...what would change? Palestinians will continue suffering.

dude, it is not about what is right or wrong...powerful is always right...your family or my family is not suffering..Palestinians dont need your lecture on morality....

and you dont need to tell me how bad is gaza.. for god sake stop giving these lectures..... the whole world knows how bad gaza is...did it change ground realities...i did not want to disclose personal stuff but I lived there in gaza by myself...used to work for a civil engineering consulting firm and was staffed in jordan and then gaza for a water/wastewater treatment plant design back in 2002-2004 time period..so i saw everything firsthand and lived in cages for few months and showed my idenitity on those check points...and hence giving the practical solution.

Hamas and hazb ullah not giving any strategic support to any meaningful solution... all the steps they take in frustration take peace years back..locals dont like them but they dont know what to do of them..arafat saw that after 40 years of fight and wanted to completlely dismantle hamas and all other military organziations but he was sidelinedby hardliners...

hamas trying for 30 years and look where have they ended...at least i am giving new solution.

completely dismantle hamas and hazb ullah..they have nothing to offer militarily...
once they are out of the pic, israel will lose its biggest argument of blocking gaza...
these arab countries can put a fund of at least 20B dollar easily with support from Europe...and they can use your connections with US to implement fund...
spend money on Gaza....

we all want best for Palestinians...so i respect your opinion..used to think the same way you think but changed after i spent some time there...maybe i am wrong but at least my solution is not implemented...

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sure i am ignorant who actually lived in gaza and jordan...and you are great who will keep giving these lectures which will change nothing for Palestinians...same cycle.god bless you!

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and you dont need to tell me how bad is gaza.. for god sake stop giving these lectures..... the whole world knows how bad gaza is...did it change ground realities...i did not want to disclose personal stuff but I lived there in gaza by myself...used to work for a civil engineering consulting firm and was staffed in jordan and then gaza for a water/wastewater treatment plant design back in 2002-2004 time period..saw everything firsthand...and hence giving the practical solution. Hamas and hazb ullah not giving any strategic support to any meaningful solution... all the steps they take in frustration take peace years back
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LOL. Lectures?

And what are you doing different?

till Israel learns to treat humans like humans and not animals this will continue. Give Hamas some F16's and some equal arms, I am sure rockets would end.

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Hamas is also a democratically elected government, which has been elected after disgusting human right abuses by Israel for the last 50 years. remove your blinkered glasses and look at facts

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didn't read a single word of your post it went over my head. i'm talking generally.

but now that i have had a skim, i can safely say my post probably did apply to you. this cycle is too far gone to try anything different. the western countries have invested too much into israel for any sort of new tactics to make a difference. a full fledged war is inevitable with israel having the upper advantage for a decade or six.

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ok go give them F16s....go ahead...who will do that... lol see how impractical you are!
dude lectures do nothing

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dude lectures do nothing
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Apply that to yourself to buddy. Noone is giving lectures, this is called a debate, that is the whole point of a forum.

My situation was hypothetical. When you have such massive imbalance with military hardware the weaker side will throw whatever it has. In this case rockets. Common sense.

Gaza is dying. Wake up. When you give prisoners some badass accommodation they revolt,in this case they have and they have elected someone who is desperate. Proof enough that they have had enough of being treated like filth.

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ha ha..what will continue? see how invalid your argument is?

your yourslef got trapped into your own argument

what will continue? a fire cracker which will do nothing to israel (as you said) and in result murders of Palestinians? is that what you want...is this the best proposition for Palestinians...

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wrong...make a correction....gaza is not dying...IT IS ALREADY DEAD...and it is dead for years...there is nothing new in hamas strategy..they did it in 03, 05, 08 and now 12.....and every-time more death and destruction to Palestinians...

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Who got trapped where?

The rockets will continue, where have I said I want this? Quote me.

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a fire cracker which will do nothing to israel (as you said) and in result murders of Palestinians?
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Ah, so if it will do nothing to Israel murdering Palestinians is fine.

Tell me, an Arab child who's lost his family, do you think he will not elect Hamas? (Wait they have)

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and every-time more death and destruction to Palestinians...
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And who brings that destruction? Who killed Gaza?

Are you even listening to yourself? You're agreeing with everything I am saying ie Gaza is dead, Israel is killing, murdering but HEY HAMAS FOUGHT BACK! Its a crime!

A nation locks up millions, murders them, steals their lands, kills their families children mothers sisters etc they will retaliate. Because either way they're getting killed.

The onus is on the killer to say hey enough is enough, lets treat these HUMANS like Humans, lets stop butchering their elders maybe they'll grow up in peace. Had Israel done this Hamas would not be in power today.

Answer me this.

Do you think Israel bombing Gaza is helping make itself more secure? Do you not think its creating more terrorists/freedom fighters?

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this.

according to idf 950 airstrikes hit gaza since november 14. and you think they shouldn't retaliate? name anyone who has that much tolerance.

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Any pro Israeli person answer me this (as we won't ever agree on anything else)

a)Is this making Israel more safe? Ie creating more Israel hating victims? If yes, how? If no then what is the point of doing something will make you MORE unsafe?
b)What are the Palestinian options during ''peace''time when they are blockaded and pretty much deprived off decent water, food, medicine, when theyre forced to live like animals and forced to wait like animals at check points?I.e. what do you think they should do to raise awareness to their plight? As sitting down isn't doing anything while Israel is being showered with weapons.P.Desi just admitted Gaza is dead due to Israel yet acts mildly surprised upon them retaliating.

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NO...wrong!
let me try again
I am not agreeing with you!

I am saying that if you go and talk to any normal israeli he will give you his version of how brutal hamas has been to israel by not giving peace a chance and by storing rockets and by shooting rockets on us blah blah

you talk to any Palestinian and you will find how brutal israel has been and THERE IS NOT DOUBT ABT IT....THAT IS WHAT i am trying to tell you that i have seen that destruction firsthand....so no need to give me lecture on that...

and i am saying that if you have power, if you have F16s, if you have nuclear weapons and you have superpower next to you....I AM WITH YOU MY MAN..go destroy israel and i will not blink and I mean it

if you don't have any of this....then STOP GIVING LECTURES SUCH AS "Israel need to behave like humans"...because powerful does not listen ...and for sure stop reacting with firecrackers because those crackers bring more deaths to poor Palestinians

and from that perspective i gave a suggestion that lets go with arafat's original plan and dismantle hamas because they cannot give any military defense to poor Palestinians anyway...this will put huge pressure on israel to finish blockade...arab countries put a 20-50B fund and spend on gaza

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because they cannot give any military defense to poor Palestinians anyway
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Nobody would be able to. Hamas were elected BECAUSE they would try to stand upto Israel.

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this will put huge pressure on israel to finish blockade.
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Not really, Israel pre-hamas, pre-any terror attacks still treated Palestinians like animals. Pressure doesn't affect them till US supports them.

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we are reaching to conclusion if you ask me....

on your point a)..yes israeli citizens want to live in peace...as they have seen enough of it and they do want peace

on your point b)....all i am saying that israel has maintained a stand for a long time that it is blocking gaza due to hamas and hazb-ullah and the thereat they pose to israel....and all the weapons iran send to Palestine through sea and land....blah blah but that is what they say

now israel is a bas tard..we know that but it hard for weaker to negotiate from position of weakness..and i am suggesting that lets go with arafat's original plan and dismantle hamas and haz bullah because they cannot give any military defense to poor Palestinians anyway...this will put huge pressure on israel to finish blockade...not right away but maybe in 12-24 months...arab countries put a 20-50B fund and spend on gaza..Palestinians just preach peace peace peace and focus on building gaza... no more crackers...isarel will face international pressure

and israeli citizens will put a huge pressure on their war mongers... to keep them in check...that is all i am saying throughout.