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OK that may be going off topic, but what the hell. The Taleban question is a complex one, but as far as the rules of war go the US war seems just. Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda attacked the US, the Taleban (who took power in a civil war by defeating the Northern Alliance) allied to the Al-Qaeda and sheltered them and allowed them to train in their territory so are complicit with the terror attacks.
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lol so muslims are to blame when they don't fight American and they are you to blame where they fight America. Nice one!
What do you think about the Iraqis fighting the US after its illegal invasion of that country? Were the Iraqis right to kill the Americans?
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lol so muslims are to blame when they don't fight American and they are you to blame where they fight America. Nice one!
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Are those views yours, because they certainily are not mine.
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Let me get this straight. You criticise muslim countries around Isreal....why? Because they are not fighting with Israel and US to protect the Palestinians. Israel and the US are not to blame but the muslim countries are for the treatment of Palestinians.
So I asked you where muslims actually fight the US like in Afghanistan....do you consider their cause to be just and do you support them. You stated that no they are wrong to fight against the US.
So in your eyes the US is not to blame whether it is supporting Israel and giving them weapons or whether it is invading muslim lands and killing innocents. Muslims are to blame in both cases.
Anyway please answer my question about Iraq.
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Is that so? They must be desperate if they're scraping the bowl.
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Yes of course. Just because we have the audacity to question the actions of Muslims across the world, we are atheists who might as well stop calling ourselves Muslims.
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Theres nowt wrong with questioning muslims action. I do it all the time. But in a thread about israel, how about we stay on topic and question the actual culprits for once, rather than diverting it to 'woe is us, the muslim ummah' each time! Because 1. There is no ummah 2. You are deflecting from the real issue.
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LOL the UNSC IS the most powerful branch of the UN. Everything else is just a joke. But even then, the entire UN has no clout. They often speak in favor of the underprivileged only to be shunned by the US and Israel. If you are basing your positive outlook on the growing support of Palestine in the UN, you're in for a big disappointment.
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Yes UNSC is powerful; but only on issues that go through it. And whilst they (the US) are responsible for Israeli crimes; the statehood issues does not go through the UNSC. The GA decides via a vote. And that is key!!!
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At least that's better than sitting and twiddling your thumbs while waiting for the US to fall down so that Israel is finally all alone in defending itself.
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So either way; twiddling your thumb is your only option??
I would advise you to do something more productive with your time...
Tell us ignorant and complacent folks; exactly what you do to help the cause, both the palestinian and muslim ummah.
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I honestly don't know why it's considered anti-Muslim to question the lack of motivation, unity, and education amongst Muslims and critique their complacent lifestyle. Why does one have to be a self hating Muslim if they wonder why the Muslims aren't playing a more active role in alleviating their suffering!? No one ever denied the atrocities committed by Israel and the blind support given to Israel by the US, but that doesn't mean we keep going haw hai at the culprits and refuse to take responsibility for our own actions.
Anyways I am done with debating this issue. I am sure we all have more important things to do with our time.
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Its not anti muslim. Just open another thread and talk your heart out!
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^ Word of advise to you and Mr. Arshad: Show some respect when engaging in a debate and please don't stoop to personal attacks. It just gives an insight into your own insecurities and undermines your credibility.
Your posts are so hollow that they're not even worthy of a response. You keep on harping on the same issues without acknowledging what the other person is saying. You fail to realize that the leaders of the Muslim world are as much responsible for the plight of Palestinians simply because they fail to put pressure on the US and Israel inspite of having considerable influence in the world arena. Only a simpleton will not realize that you can't just keep bashing one country (or two) without acknowledging the role of other countries and how they have or have not contributed to the conflict.
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^ Word of advise to you and Mr. Arshad: Show some respect when engaging in a debate and please don't stoop to personal attacks. It just gives an insight into your own insecurities and undermines your credibility.
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Yes the respect is oozing through your posts..you can almost touch it.
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Your posts are so hollow that they're not even worthy of a response.
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really? I could've sworn i saw a response.
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You keep on harping on the same issues without acknowledging what the other person is saying. You fail to realize that the leaders of the Muslim world are as much responsible for the plight of Palestinians simply because they fail to put pressure on the US and Israel inspite of having considerable influence in the world arena. Only a simpleton will not realize that you can't just keep bashing one country (or two) without acknowledging the role of other countries and how they have or have not contributed to the conflict.
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Your point was acknowledged several times actually, you just chose to ignore it. Let me give some insight into your logic; two senior school kids beat up on a small kid; the teacher who saw this will blame and punish the bullies; and rightly so; you on the other hand will blame not only the small kid, but his parents for not teaching him to stand up for himself; and his class
mates for not standing up for him! The real culprits are forgotten In the process!!!
Theres no point to such logic!
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You both also need to stop analogizing petty school fights and rape to world politics. See you might not comprehend it but the world of politics is far too complicated than a school fight where each nation is out to serve its own interests. Also I never blamed the Palestinians for this so your analogy also falls flat in that regard. But let me reconstruct your school fight example: if the small kid's older and stronger brother is standing right there witnessing his younger brother bleed to death, I will call out the older brother and his unwillingness to protect his younger sibling. No one is blaming the younger kid. Your analogies are grossly inaccurate. Pls don't try to become a teacher. I'm sure you'll rejoice when the GA passes for a Palestinian statehood. Things are looking grrrrreat for the Palestinians what with 100 of them already dead in the past week. Grrrrrrreat! I also hope you caught Ban ki Moon and Netanyahu's meeting on TV where Netanyahu went on about Israel's right to defend and Ban ki Moon was standing there like a sheep. Yup long live the UN. Carry on Miss Mooli. Carry on.
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^ Word of advise to you and Mr. Arshad: Show some respect when engaging in a debate and please don't stoop to personal attacks. It just gives an insight into your own insecurities and undermines your credibility.
Your posts are so hollow that they're not even worthy of a response. You keep on harping on the same issues without acknowledging what the other person is saying. You fail to realize that the leaders of the Muslim world are as much responsible for the plight of Palestinians simply because they fail to put pressure on the US and Israel inspite of having considerable influence in the world arena. Only a simpleton will not realize that you can't just keep bashing one country (or two) without acknowledging the role of other countries and how they have or have not contributed to the conflict.
Not even worthy of a reply. Either you don't read or you don't understand and I don't feel in the mood of being a kindergarten teacher or at least not just now.
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arshad you believe what you want to in my posts.
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Let me get this straight. You criticise muslim countries around Isreal....why? Because they are not fighting with Israel and US to protect the Palestinians. Israel and the US are not to blame but the muslim countries are for the treatment of Palestinians.
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No thats not what I said. I say again that the Arab countries do also share reponsibility, blame cannot completely be place on the shoulders on Israel and the US.
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So I asked you where muslims actually fight the US like in Afghanistan....do you consider their cause to be just and do you support them. You stated that no they are wrong to fight against the US.
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Did I? You say Muslims are fighting the US but there are also many many Muslims who are fighting along side with NATO. The Muslim Northern Alliance were waging war with the Taleban, now they are not any more or less of Muslims than the Taleban.
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^^^ Can you answer my question in relation to Iraq first?
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I just don't know how anyone can sit and look at those dead children and just not care, to think they deserve it or that their deaths were unavoidable. Its utterly heartbreaking. All because you don't like the elected government of Gaza. Which you have been trying to undermine through blockades and killing their leadership.
Israel is not interested in peace and so long as it enjoys the support of the US it does not need peace.
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Its not really that complicated dear. The US and its allies behave like classic school yard bullies. They fit the profile exactly. Should someone refuse to submit to their wishes they will all throw their weight behind to threaten, goad, blackmail and punish the victim back in to line, regardless of wether the person/ state is right in its place.
Bar the western nations; the rest are mainly slaves who have submitted out of fear!!!
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Also I never blamed the Palestinians for this so your analogy also falls flat in that regard. But let me reconstruct your school fight example: if the small kid's older and stronger brother is standing right there witnessing his younger brother bleed to death, I will call out the older brother and his unwillingness to protect his younger sibling. No one is blaming the younger kid. Your analogies are grossly inaccurate. Pls don't try to become a teacher.
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There is no older brother, thats why i didnt include one in the example. That is exactly my point. You keep looking for the imaginary rich brothers who are simply not there!!
Infact the kid has very few friends who are weak and oppressed themselves but they do what little they can to help!
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I'm sure you'll rejoice when the GA passes for a Palestinian statehood. Things are looking grrrrreat for the Palestinians what with 100 of them already dead in the past week. Grrrrrrreat! I also hope you caught Ban ki Moon and Netanyahu's meeting on TV where Netanyahu went on about Israel's right to defend and Ban ki Moon was standing there like a sheep. Yup long live the UN. Carry on Miss Mooli. Carry on.
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Of course i will rejoice. And so will the palestinians. A statehood is all they ask for!! Who cares what ban ki moon or nentanyahoo have to say?? Its the process that matters!!
And once they gain that recognition; they can move on to become an independent and sovereign country.
As for the killing of innocents; what makes you think that only you care about the death and destruction Israel is bringing???
You still haven't told us what you are doing to stop the killing of the children ( apart from ranting and raving about the mulim ummah online)?
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Israel is not interested in peace a.
please give 3-5 categorical reasons why Israeli citizens dont want peace in gaza and how a continuous turmoil in gaza actually suit them...
no emotional stuff...just some solid reasons. I want to learn from you. Please enlighten me.
thank you.
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please give 3-5 categorical reasons why Israeli citizens dont want peace in gaza and how a continuous turmoil in gaza actually suit them...
no emotional stuff...just some solid reasons. I want to learn from you. Please enlighten me.
thank you.
If you wanted peace with someone would you hold them hostage, would to assassinate them, would you try to economically destroy them, would you forcefully occupy their land and build houses on it?
Everyone can say they want peace but if you don't want to sit down and talk, and instead want the others to agree with everything that you want and then change your mind again and keeping making extra demands then you are not seeking peace but want to impose your will. In the meanwhile you can keeping portraying yourself as a victim and keep getting all the lastest American goodies for free.
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If you wanted peace with someone would you hold them hostage, would to assassinate them, would you try to economically destroy them, would you forcefully occupy their land and build houses on it?
Everyone can say they want peace but if you don't want to sit down and talk, and instead want the others to agree with everything that you want and then change your mind again and keeping making extra demands then you are not seeking peace but want to impose your will. In the meanwhile you can keeping portraying yourself as a victim and keep getting all the lastest American goodies for free.
thx...but i did request that no emotional stuff..israel will get USA aid and goodies no matter what..so that is no reason whatsoever.
let me say again....please give 3-5 solid categorical reasons why Israeli citizens dont want peace in gaza and how a continuous turmoil in gaza actually suit them...there are 4 million Israeli citizens, GDP growing fast...they have families, kids....
but you made a statement that they dont want peace
and i requested that please give me 3-5 solid reasons in bullet points why they dont want peace and why they want turmoil in gaza and how would it benefit them...
I really want to learn from you. Please enlighten me.
thank you.
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As for the killing of innocents; what makes you think that only you care about the death and destruction Israel is bringing???
You still haven't told us what you are doing to stop the killing of the children ( apart from ranting and raving about the mulim ummah online)?
What are you saying??? Your posts are full of gibberish. Take a deep breath and calm down! You keep ranting and going off tangent. It's true when they say too much hatred consumes a person's sanity. You clearly a perfect example.
When did I say I was the only one who cared?? I was calling you out on your positive outlook of the Palestinians when that is definitely not the case. And when did I say I'm doing a lot to alleviate the suffering of the Palestinians?? I was referring to the lack of involvement by the Arab leaders and leaders of predominantly Muslim nations who fail to engage in a practical peace process. I'm sorry I'm not using up my time to build rockets that have a terrible precision rate. The only thing I can do is give charity and I'm definitely not going to declare my monetary contributions towards the Palestinian cause on an online forum. I have absolutely nothing to prove to you. I know you're doing a lot though. Huffing and puffing while Israel engages in air strikes is definitely helping the Palestinians. Yup the smoke from your ears is clouding the Israeli airplanes and they are missing their targets. Good job!
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sheikh osama was right i think.
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thx...but i did request that no emotional stuff..israel will get USA aid and goodies no matter what..so that is no reason whatsoever.
let me say again....please give 3-5 solid categorical reasons why Israeli citizens dont want peace in gaza and how a continuous turmoil in gaza actually suit them...there are 4 million Israeli citizens, GDP growing fast...they have families, kids....
but you made a statement that they dont want peace
and i requested that please give me 3-5 solid reasons in bullet points why they dont want peace and why they want turmoil in gaza and how would it benefit them...
I really want to learn from you. Please enlighten me.
thank you.
I have given you some reasons even if you don't like them. How about you doing the same for the Palestinians?