what do you guys make of ISPR statement? many are saying that this statement from ISPR is something unusual and more of a warning presumably the final one but in what capacity army is commenting on governance issues?
overall country is divided on this topic…all major political parties other than PTI are supporting PMLN.
I think Pakistan will never be able to decide if it wants a civil or military rule.
Yet best statement came from Aitezaz Ahsan of PPP, a most learned and most mature politician in Pakistan. This is how a real democratic person should think.
ISLAMABAD: Severely criticising a recent ISPR statement on poor implementation of the National Action Plan (NAP) by the civilian set-up, several political parties — mainly the PPP — assured the PML-N government of their complete support in any eventuality.
“I am disappointed with the governance of the present government. But the ISPR and the corps commanders have no right to publicly talk about the democratic and constitutional government of Nawaz Sharif,” Leader of Opposition Aitzaz Ahsan said while speaking on a point of order in the Senate.
“Keep on indulging in my character assassination, but you will find Aitzaz Ahsan and those sitting on the opposition benches with you in case of any threat (to the government),” he said in an apparent reference to recent personal attacks on him by some ministers on the floor of the house.
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Mr Ahsan said it was Mehmood Achakzai of the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP) who had been talking on the matter over the past two days, regretting that no-one from the PML-N had the courage to speak out.
Indicating tensions in civil-military ties, the military leadership had gone public on Tuesday with its concerns about poor implementation of the NAP and warned that efficacy of its counter-terrorism efforts could be undermined by inadequate supporting actions from civilian agencies.
The ISPR (Inter-Services Public Relations) issued the statement after a corps commanders’ meeting presided over by army chief Gen Raheel Sharif.
“There is no doubt that the present government is absolutely incompetent. But can the military make such an announcement through an official statement after the corps commanders’ conference,” said Farhatullah Babar. “The ISPR statement itself is a manifestation of poor governance of the rulers.”
“We can also ask questions about your governance, Mr Commander,” he said in an apparent reference to the army chief.
“You almost daily tell us about the killing of foreign militants in Tirah Valley and other tribal areas. Please tell us the names of at least two militants,” he said. Similarly, he added, there were many questions in their minds about the ongoing Operation Zarb-i-Azb. “However, we do not ask such questions publicly believing that the army is doing a good job.”
Mr Babar said he would like to know why the army chief had not raised the issues at a meeting on national security issues presided over by the prime minister only two days before the corps commanders’ conference.
Retd colonel Tahir Mashhadi of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement stood up and pointing to the empty seats in the house said the governance was “so good that no-one is there on the treasury benches”.
Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani promptly commented, “That’s why they (the government) get such remarks.”
The only defence for the ruling party came from Professor Sajid Mir of the Jamiat Ahle Hadith who became a senator on the PML-N ticket.
He said the army had directly or indirectly ruled the country for years and the country’s present plight was only because of military interventions.
The army, he said, should remain confined to its own domain, instead of becoming a supervisor of the civilian government.
Though Nehal Hashmi of the PML-N took up the issue but he made no mention of the word ‘army’ in his speech. But, he said a message should be sent to all institutions that parliament was watching them and no-one could cross the constitutional limits.
Nauman Wazir of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf indirectly supported the ISPR statement when he said that at a meeting also attended by Peshawar corps commander, the government had made certain commitments regarding economic activities in the troubled tribal areas. But no commitment has been met by the government or donor agencies.
Independent Senator Mohsin Leghari said the government itself had been inviting army for different jobs that should have been done by civilian departments.
He said the ISPR statement should serve as a wake-up call for civilians.
Usman Kakar of the PkMAP accused the media and some so-called intellectuals of supporting “undemocratic forces”.
“All institutions must be subservient to parliament. But it is not happening,” he said. “There has been constant interference in foreign and internal policy matters by intelligence agencies.”
He asked the government not to compromise on the supremacy of parliament and democracy.
Mr Kakar said it was people who had offered most sacrifices in the fight against terrorism.
The Senate chairman again advised the government to convene an in-camera session of the parliament or of the upper house to discuss issues related to foreign policy and NAP. He said all institutions must keep in view the rules of business, particularly the rule regarding the “mode of communication”.
the big corrupt crocodiles will never be caught or punished.
corrupt politicians will always protect each other's loots and stash them abroad.
common man always the loser.
I mean, seriously the military didn't know there is bad governance since the time the country was created? Were they sleeping the the last 65 yrs or so, did they just wake up to give a statement ?
If nothing happens, things will go into gutter again....same old cycle......
politicians can't be caught because it will be a threat to democracy........that excuse will be used forever
while the work done on eliminating terrorists is great, but it does not mean the military is not corrupt or has vested interests of its own in many things the common man can't see/understand
Hmmmmmmmmm
Somebody is talking about governance!!!
Interesting isn't it....
Gen AYOUB Came we got East Pakistan turned into Bangladesh and 90,000 as POW
Gen Zia came we lost Siachen and got AK-47 drugs and lots of Afghans and Extremism as a bonus
Gen Mushy came. 60,000 plus civilians killed And military officials were adivced to not to wear uniform in public
So again we were talking about governance!!! Then lets talk
in FSD 70% people have hepatitis C.
Some one need to step on NS face. Repeatedly.
And here we have tea-party threads about, some one saying some thing to NS..
Seriously???????
That number is pandemic and gross misinformation. Why are you throwing out such information?
Also even assuming that 7 out of 10 people there are infact suffering from an fatal incurable disease, how do you expect a Government to cure them (unless they are sitting on some magic cure for Hep C)?
Sach to yeh he keh mostly corruption under cover hoti hay & 'people' taking their share
We have talking here about a small example
NLC case
They are free of about 50 % of our budget
Free about CIA & other international money so we are fighting since 80s
Another domain is Norcotics
And every one knew about DHA Fazaia Bahria & hundreds other businesses going on more bad way
Statement was just to keep ducks in line, nothing serious in my opinion. I guess Army wanted to make sure that NS's feet stay on ground after winning LB elections. I guess they also did not like the way things are progressing (or are not progressing) with MQM. Seems like MQM was able to get some breathing space courtesy NS.
Sach to yeh he keh mostly corruption under cover hoti hay & 'people' taking their share
We have talking here about a small example
NLC case
They are free of about 50 % of our budget
Free about CIA & other international money so we are fighting since 80s
Another domain is Norcotics
And every one knew about DHA Fazaia Bahria & hundreds other businesses going on more bad way
asli 'haramkhor' asal main heroes hain corrupt pakion ke liay jin ko pura share milta hay in haramkhoron se jo kissi court main challenge nahin ho sakta nahi koi NAB ya un ka baap in ko haath laga sakta hay :)
That number is pandemic and gross misinformation. Why are you throwing out such information?
Also even assuming that 7 out of 10 people there are infact suffering from an fatal incurable disease, how do you expect a Government to cure them (unless they are sitting on some magic cure for Hep C)?
15 years ago when I was there, we started getting @#$% less scared of news on hepatitis C in the city.
Water was going bad day by day back then.(I think only B transmit through water... and C through blook) We were scared to eat out, period. Whole family got vaccinated.
So you knowing exponential curves, tell me, after 15+ of not collecting data, nothing being done to find source, where would be the % ?
I got that information from hasb-e-hal.
As for magic cure. Do this. Think like a Good PM,
there is pandemic in one city, not in lahore or gujranwala,
that only means reason in very local to the city,
that does not mean pakistais are reaching their expire date in that case it would be every where not only in FSD, So the reason is very local,
now Would not put scientist to work to find reasons and stop it ??
and PD,
This criminal negligence. PM should be jail!!
15 years ago when I was there, we started getting @#$% less scared of news on hepatitis C in the city.
Water was going bad day by day back then.(I think only B transmit through water... and C through blook) We were scared to eat out, period. Whole family got vaccinated.
So you knowing exponential curves, tell me, after 15+ of not collecting data, nothing being done to find source, where would be the % ?
I got that information from hasb-e-hal.
As for magic cure. Do this. Think like a Good PM,
there is pandemic in one city, not in lahore or gujranwala,
that only means reason in very local to the city,
that does not mean pakistais are reaching their expire date in that case it would be every where not only in FSD, So the reason is very local,
now Would not put scientist to work to find reasons and stop it ??
and PD,
This criminal negligence. PM should be jail!!
C has no vaccination and there is no cure. There are experts working everywhere in the world to find a cure and this isn't a cake walk that the Government of Pakistan can fix by appointing a scientist. Also that 70% number you threw out there has no standing whatsoever. I usually don't go by personal anecdotes but assuming your number was right, 7 out of my ten relatives there will be dead soon in Fsd?
C has no vaccination and there is no cure. There are experts working everywhere in the world to find a cure and this isn't a cake walk that the Government of Pakistan can fix by appointing a scientist. Also that 70% number you threw out there has no standing whatsoever. I usually don't go by personal anecdotes but assuming your number was right, 7 out of my ten relatives there will be dead soon in Fsd?
ok, you are right. And now I remember a bit better as well, we got Engerix-B vaccinations. Which does not prevent C, only B and I think A.
Then C is said to be transferred by blood.
But then I remember Doc. in our family were buying machine to chop syringes, so no one pick them up and reuse them.
Then again, even they did not have clear data, only more and more patients.
C does have some thing against it. One of my friend got it in Guj. back then. they gave him pill and told him not to eat oil etc.
Idea was not give virus/germ enviornment to grow in.
Then much latter on, my cousin a Doc, got it. She was on some injections.
Only trying to share information, which you could have more updated.
Back then father told me no one was looking for prevention vaccination since medicine companies did not have big market.
Later on ted talk I heard the same thing.
Also on hasb-e-hal I heard them talking, before, how there is too expensive medicine of C is being made naqaali. So its sort of tons more obvious then it was 15 years ago.
So after discovering C there is still a life.
I do fear for every one who live there.
FSD do have a crisis. Talk to people how live there. See what they tell you.
