Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
You can't answer yes or no i dont see any point of discussing further.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
You can't answer yes or no i dont see any point of discussing further.
I have replied in detail your question and my answer is 'No. We can't kill anyone who just give statement against Islam and Prophet'. You are just skimming posts and avoiding to answer many aspects of my posts.
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Ok Reply later.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
BTW, let me define what I consider conspiracy against Islam.
conspiracy is when your intolerant Mullas promote bad image of Islam by executing everyone who got different view.
Conspiracy is when you promote Islam as fragile ideology, which can be shattered by some random cartoonist living thousand miles away from what your own molvis call 'Dar ul Islam'.
Conspiracy is when killers of thousand are awarded title of 'Shaheed' by Ulema (read as mazhab ke thekedar).
Conspiracy is when small illiterate woman becomes khatra e iman and din of most Muslims can't be completed till she is executed.
Conspiracy is when brainwashed like Mumtaz Qadri (La'een. yes he is La'een o rajeem to kill a person, because as per Quran killer of one is killer of all humanity) shoot a person, without knowing that his aaqa Ahmed Raza Barelvi is also of the view that non-Muslims can't be executed for blasphemy (especially in first incident).
Conspiracy is when you promote intolerance by twisting verses and hiding actual facts from the masses.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Ok believe whatever.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
I believe its absolutely waste of time to argue with people who are fine with salman rushdi.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Let me ask you a question. One who abuse prophet or spread rumors against prophet or islam should be free to do so? No aen baen shaen. Yes or no.
Wat is ur reply. Wat need to be done for such ppl . Kill them... or
Clear reply. No aa in Bain shain
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
I believe its absolutely waste of time to argue with people who are fine with salman rushdi.
Don't twist words as your gurus like Paracha do. We are not okay with people like Rushdie, we are as against them for hurting sentiments of people as you are.
The difference is in how to respond such people. Definitely, for me, gun is not the suitable option to deal with that, pen producing reason is the best option. If you don't know how to respond to such attacks, just keep quiet. Don't try to express your agitation by killing people around you, who don't have any link with the attacking person.
Just because I said that my religions teaches me 'Afwa' does not make me supporter of Rushdie. Afwa is necessary to compose yourself, when you and your dear ones are attacked.
Till the time, Muslims don't understand this point, they will keep on following hypocrites, who name prophets, read Quran and utter Maa behn ki galiyan in one breath. Result: innocent people will suffer and lose their lives. All the unchannelized reaction to destroy any one coming in your way is due to lack of composure.
'Maar do, URa do' have resulted more innocent deaths than actual attackers. Rushdie is still there, cartnists, movie makers are still there. Where are those innocent people who got prey of mobs of brainwashed zombies, thanks to people like Paracha. Qayamat ke din kis munh se jawab denge khuda ke samne ye Paracha jaise ullo ke pathe for loss of innocent lives.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
**2:79) Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.
**The above Quranic verse says it all
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Wat is ur reply. Wat need to be done for such ppl . Kill them... or
Clear reply. No aa in Bain shain
Govt should tackle that. I would say spare it if that charged person confess his mistake. But if someone does it persistently and on purpose govt should take severe action against it. If its extreme to some people then be it. I believe what quran says, murder is bad but fitna is worse than murder. Civilian should not take this matter into thier hands.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Don't twist words as your gurus like Paracha do. We are not okay with people like Rushdie, we are as against them for hurting sentiments of people as you are.
The difference is in how to respond such people. Definitely, for me, gun is not the suitable option to deal with that, pen producing reason is the best option. If you don't know how to respond to such attacks, just keep quiet. Don't try to express your agitation by killing people around you, who don't have any link with the attacking person.
Just because I said that my religions teaches me 'Afwa' does not make me supporter of Rushdie. Afwa is necessary to compose yourself, when you and your dear ones are attacked.
Till the time, Muslims don't understand this point, they will keep on following hypocrites, who name prophets, read Quran and utter Maa behn ki galiyan in one breath. Result: innocent people will suffer and lose their lives. All the unchannelized reaction to destroy any one coming in your way is due to lack of composure.
'Maar do, URa do' have resulted more innocent deaths than actual attackers. Rushdie is still there, cartnists, movie makers are still there. Where are those innocent people who got prey of mobs of brainwashed zombies, thanks to people like Paracha. Qayamat ke din kis munh se jawab denge khuda ke samne ye Paracha jaise ullo ke pathe for loss of innocent lives.
Maybe you can backout from supporting malala on her support to rushdi. Now you need a twisting logic. I am hurt by salman rushdi but i support him indirectly as malala supports his freedom of speech. Funny enough.
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Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Let me ask you a question. One who abuse prophet or spread rumors against prophet or islam should be free to do so? No aen baen shaen. Yes or no.
No!
I propose an effective and across the board Anti Hate Speech and Anti racism laws in place of blasphemy laws where no one is allowed to make hate speech against any religion, race, sect and gender. A kind of law that covers everybody from racist 'liberals' of MQM to fasaadi Mullahs.
I am absolutely in favour of criminalising the hate speech, albeit, sans death penalty.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
No!
I propose an effective and across the board Anti Hate Speech and Anti racism laws in place of blasphemy laws where no one is allowed to make hate speech against any religion, race, sect and gender. A kind of law that covers everybody from racist 'liberals' of MQM to fasaadi Mullahs.
I am absolutely in favour of criminalising the hate speech, albeit, sans death penalty.
Agreed for most part.
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By the way, @muqawwee123 I appreciate your passion for religious intolerance, but would like to know your views on recent news of MQM attacking PTI camp last night in Karachi, opening fires and hurting their women and young participants? By the way Imran (the outsider) was not there, and all participants were residents of Karachi.
Is there any solution to such vile ethnic and political intolerance which also results in loss of human life and damage to properties? Or these matters are not worth strongly speaking about?
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Agreed for most part.
See if we open up a discussion, we can always come up with solutions, alternatives and improvements. For which part you still feel a hint of disagreement? Let's see if I can reason that.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Maybe you can backout from supporting malala on her support to rushdi. Now you need a twisting logic. I am hurt by salman rushdi but i support him indirectly as malala supports his freedom of speech. Funny enough.
No my dear, I won't back out, as I don't behave like intellectually weak Mullas. I have already said that I'm as hurt with Rushdies's book as any normal Muslim is (loving and revering Prophet is just not prerogative of those who start killing people on any negative statements, movie or carton).
Whether Malala advocates freedom of speech or not, I do support such concepts. Why shouldn't I? Don't we say that Ummaya Ibn e Khalf persecuted Hazrat Bilal (PA) for saying Kalimah? Why do we condemn Ibn e Khalf? Because he was against the freedom of speech. He was intellectually challenged and had no option except violence. Now compare Paracha (and any orthodox Mullah or even a religious state) with Ibn e Khalf. What is the difference in their attitude? (One was rait pe litao, seene pe pathar daalo... Other is pakRo, gardan URa do or in specific words ' Gustakh e Rasool ki saza, sir tan se juda').
Now do the maths and ponder who is doing conspiracies against Islam. Today's Ibn e Khalf like Paracha or people who keep composed and revert with reason like Sir Syed Ahmed Khan like Rafiq Zakaria.
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I hadn’t followed that news and not completely aware what happened. I don’t know whats MQM statement on the attack. It might be denial as they always do by bringing na maloom shar pasand anasir. But the fact remains, MQM was, is and will remain a fascist and intolerant party till the day people of Karachi understand that the city is not kise ke baap ki jageer. The city is in mess as it does not have actual ownership and everyone tries to portray that city belongs to them.
Violence in name of religion or ethnic hatred is not justified by any way. The only solution is to create a society which can celebrate diversification through open debate and with empathetic approach for all the stakeholders involved.
As far as Karachi’ss case is concerned, I think (I might be wrong) that local people feel deprived, as apparently they did not have fair share in the authorities controlling the city. Sindh Government is incompetent to the core and is not addressing many basic problems city is facing. Such attitude creates resentment for the people from outside Karachi and political parties like MQM plays on such grounds to polarize the society. Though people of Karachi needs to realise that their ‘apne’ have been in different governments and still could not resolve majority of problems city is facing today. MQM came as middle class representative and todate they are claiming this, when their Ministers are proven culprits and involved in land mafia and china cutting cases. I think the situation has started improving, but it will take some time that we see a measurable change and that will only happen if authorities keep on tackling these groups seriously instead of creating new ones.
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
Keep dreaming 
Re: isnt this blatant blasphemy by a molvi?
It is dangerous to equate freedom of speech with right to insult. So think about this.
Whoever is writing Malala's speeches and interview answers need to be little careful. The country where Malala's currently living in, hate speech against the Jews is plain old anti-Semitism, not freedom of speech!