If Jamat want implementation of blasphemy law, they mean its implementation through govt. They dont suggest average people take law in their hands. Also as I have already said, if you really want to live with peace, you would not insult prophets of other religions. Asia bibi's case in court suggesting people have not taken law into their hands.
Just bring that jahil unpaRh aurat on any public place. I assure you she will get 100 times worst treatment than Junaid Jamshed.
How do you see, leaving verses in between to get interpretation according to one's agenda? Should this not be called 'tahreef' or equal to same action for which scholars of Bani Israel were condemned in Quran?
How come a person can interpret verses about Abu Lahab as justification to mob killing in the name of Namoos e Risalat?
How come verses of Surah e Hujrat for reverence of the Prophet can be interpreted as licence to kill people?
@Jolie keeping aside that Lahore / Karachi (good for nothing debate), I would like to listen from you how do you see twisting of verses like the videos posted in this thread?
Maybe he forgot to mention ayah number 60 but that ayah is also linked to ayah number 56. Even if you ignore ayah 56, 60 and 61 both are sufficient as it says people of madina who abused prophet (s.a.w.) were supposed to be punished.
Just bring that jahil unpaRh aurat on any public place. I assure you she will get 100 times worst treatment than Junaid Jamshed.
for your information, she got charges on witnesses of people around. If they wanted to kill her they would have done it without reporting. There could be bigotry by rural Muslims behind this case but case is ruined by bigotry of liberals like salman taseer. He should have kept his mouth shut as he needed to know what way he should speak against blasphemy law. Also he assumed his audience belonged to US state. This could happen when a playboy is made leader of people of which he dont know anything.
If Jamat want implementation of blasphemy law, they mean its implementation through govt. They dont suggest average people take law in their hands. Also as I have already said, if you really want to live with peace, you would not insult prophets of other religions. Asia bibi's case in court suggesting people have not taken law into their hands.
Exactly same for me. Ppl shud not kill some one on the name of blasphemy rather go to court. That's y I don't see Qadri or many like him who are saving namoos e nabi by killing human being are on the correct side .
Hope u have the same opinion.
Maybe he forgot to mention ayah number 60 but that ayah is also linked to ayah number 56. Even if you ignore ayah 56, 60 and 61 both are sufficient as it says people of madina who abused prophet (s.a.w.) were supposed to be punished.
what about verse number 59 about purdah in between. Any blind person can assess that only verses 60 and 61 can be connected. There is a universal law when you deal with legal matters (I believe that this verse comes under legislation as also being emphasized by Paracha). As per universally accepted laws, specific provisions override general provisions. Here the verse was about hypocrites of Medina and extending that to all people living in the world (whether during prophet's life or today) is worst interpretation by blood thirsty Mullas. If that punishmnet was for all the people who hurt Prophet than Naoz billah, did Prophet himself went against this verse while forgiving people of Makkah at the time of conquest of Makkah.
One should take hosh ke nakhoon to portray Prophet as a war monger and egoist instead of portraying his true personality that won even enemies. With the mindset these khooni interpreter spread fasad in world, Islamd would have been long lost.
for your information, she got charges on witnesses of people around. If they wanted to kill her they would have done it without reporting. There could be bigotry by rural Muslims behind this case but case is ruined by bigotry of liberals like salman taseer. He should have kept his mouth shut as he needed to know what way he should speak against blasphemy law. Also he assumed his audience belonged to US state. This could happen when a playboy is made leader of people of which he dont know anything.
What was Islamic Golden Age? Islamic Golden Age was a period characterised by critical thinking, discussions, debates, theories and ideas which all led to great inventions, development and reforms. Why we in the Muslim world are so suddenly so against having great debates? Maybe Salman Taseer didn't really consider the sensitivities of the topic, but wouldn't it have been better if whatever he said resulted in an open discourse instead of him getting killed?
I am a deeply flawed human being, and probably a very bad Muslim too, but when I fast, you can put me in a room full of delicious food and have people eating it in front of me and chances are I won't feel a thing, I'd continue to maintain my fast without any difficulty. That's normally the fasting strength of all adult Muslims. When our roza can be this strong and does not get affected by gastronomic displays and desires around us (food is a basic human need, remember) then how can our reverence for Prophet or Prophet's status feel threatened if someone offers a differing debate on the blasphemy law?
for your information, she got charges on witnesses of people around. If they wanted to kill her they would have done it without reporting. There could be bigotry by rural Muslims behind this case but case is ruined by bigotry of liberals like salman taseer. He should have kept his mouth shut as he needed to know what way he should speak against blasphemy law. Also he assumed his audience belonged to US state. This could happen when a playboy is made leader of people of which he dont know anything.
Believe me a playboy is much better than the rascal hypocrites mazhab ke thekedar, who chant slogans against America in their dreams and then send their children and settle them in same America. You better know to whom I'm referring. Pointing fingers to someone's personal lives is easy way to escape from realities, but a playboy does not do any harm to general society as had done hypocrite Mullas.
What wrong did Taseer say leading his killing? Just because he referred to abusive use of blasphemy law, he was entitled to dozens of bullets. Why your Islam is so fragile and your allah (intentionally with small a) is so small that there is no way around to deal with differing view except beheading?
Islam asks Muslims to follow 'din' completely. Where are the followers of 'Lakum dinkum waliyadin'? For whom verse ' La ikraha fiddin' revealed? Did all these verses repealed once Muslims got hold over others? What a hypocrisy and disrespect of scriptures Muslims follow!
What was Islamic Golden Age? Islamic Golden Age was a period characterised by critical thinking, discussions, debates, theories and ideas which all led to great inventions, development and reforms. Why we in the Muslim world are so suddenly so against having great debates? Maybe Salman Taseer didn't really consider the sensitivities of the topic, but wouldn't it have been better if whatever he said resulted in an open discourse instead of him getting killed?
I am a deeply flawed human being, and probably a very bad Muslim too, but when I fast, you can put me in a room full of delicious food and have people eating it in front of me and chances are I won't feel a thing, I'd continue to maintain my fast without any difficulty. That's normally the fasting strength of all adult Muslims. When our roza can be this strong and does not get affected by gastronomic displays and desires around us (food is a basic human need, remember) then how can our reverence for Prophet or Prophet's status feel threatened if someone offers a differing debate on the blasphemy law?
Not seeing many chances of fully agreeing with you. If I feel some one insulting my prophet. I will goto court of law not go to kill him. Further if I m a aashiq e rasool. First I need to follow his character the basics than only I can go to details.
If u see the language used by the so called molvies in the many videos.. u will see these are animals not humans looking for chances to take a life rather convert a life to betterment.
Allah kareem save our country from these jaali molvies. They see a chance to grab power hence these dukaandaari continues. Yahi woh jaali molvies hain jin ke baree main bat aya gaya tha.
what about verse number 59 about purdah in between. Any blind person can assess that only verses 60 and 61 can be connected. There is a universal law when you deal with legal matters (I believe that this verse comes under legislation as also being emphasized by Paracha). As per universally accepted laws, specific provisions override general provisions. Here the verse was about hypocrites of Medina and extending that to all people living in the world (whether during prophet's life or today) is worst interpretation by blood thirsty Mullas. If that punishmnet was for all the people who hurt Prophet than Naoz billah, did Prophet himself went against this verse while forgiving people of Makkah at the time of conquest of Makkah.
One should take hosh ke nakhoon to portray Prophet as a war monger and egoist instead of portraying his true personality that won even enemies. With the mindset these khooni interpreter spread fasad in world, Islamd would have been long lost.
What quran says is from Allah. Sunnah is what prophet(s.a.w.) did or ordered to do.
What quran says is from Allah. Sunnah is what prophet(s.a.w.) did or ordered to do.
I thought that Sunnah can't be contradictory to Quran. Prophet himself was the interpreter of Quran through his words and action. Now let me know, whether or not Prophet himself went against verses of Surah e Ahzab referred by Paracha, by forgiving kuffar e Makkah in general and people like Abu Sufiyan and Hinda in specific. Or there are any sources with people like Paracha where they can prove that Prophet never forgave those people.
Whose interpretation should you consider correct? Prophets through his own actions or Paracha's far fetched and yours by interpreting that what was applicable to hypocrites of Medina is applicable to people in all the times to come.
Believe me a playboy is much better than the rascal hypocrites mazhab ke thekedar, who chant slogans against America in their dreams and then send their children and settle them in same America. You better know to whom I'm referring. Pointing fingers to someone's personal lives is easy way to escape from realities, but a playboy does not do any harm to general society as had done hypocrite Mullas.
What wrong did Taseer say leading his killing? Just because he referred to abusive use of blasphemy law, he was entitled to dozens of bullets. Why your Islam is so fragile and your allah (intentionally with small a) is so small that there is no way around to deal with differing view except beheading?
Islam asks Muslims to follow 'din' completely. Where are the followers of 'Lakum dinkum waliyadin'? For whom verse ' La ikraha fiddin' revealed? Did all these verses repealed once Muslims got hold over others? What a hypocrisy and disrespect of scriptures Muslims follow!
Playboy is better for you but not for me and many other people. People with corporate interest made into power they openly day we need US support. That is how master slave democracy works here. And one who sent his son America is better than playboy. Holy prophet (s.a.w.) himself worked for and traded with non muslims while preaching that dont make friends from them implying you can do business with them but cant make them friends.
I thought that Sunnah can't be contradictory to Quran. Prophet himself was the interpreter of Quran through his words and action. Now let me know, whether or not Prophet himself went against verses of Surah e Ahzab referred by Paracha, by forgiving kuffar e Makkah in general and people like Abu Sufiyan and Hinda in specific. Or there are any sources with people like Paracha where they can prove that Prophet never forgave those people.
Whose interpretation should you consider correct? Prophets through his own actions or Paracha's far fetched and yours by interpreting that what was applicable to hypocrites of Medina is applicable to people in all the times to come.
Let me ask you a question. One who abuse prophet or spread rumors against prophet or islam should be free to do so?
No aen baen shaen. Yes or no.
Playboy is better for you but not for me and many other people. People with corporate interest made into power they openly day we need US support. That is how master slave democracy works here. And one who sent his son America is better than playboy. Holy prophet (s.a.w.) himself worked for and traded with non muslims while preaching that dont make friends from them implying you can do business with them but cant make them friends.
agreed that I respect Taseer (a playboy) more than hypocrites Amirs of Jamat e Islami and you have all the right to respect them, but if this discussion is for pointing at people's personal lives, then we are deviating the original discussion.
Now please revert whose interpretation of Quran do you accept? Prophet's own based on his own actions (by forgiving those who hurt him by killing his dearest ones , by chewing liver his cousin-cum-uncle, by making him leave his hometown) or Paracha's to apply verses of Surah e Ahzab on all. I hope you might know that Surah e Ahzab was revealed before Fath e Makkah.
How about the following the verse which asks Muslims to enter deen completely and follow all the orders. Have verses like 'Lakum Dinkum waliya din' and 'La ikrah a fiddin' were just used for face saving to provide opportunity of preaching to Muslims when they were oppressed and these verses get cancelled for times to come when Muslims came in dominant position. If this the way to interpret religion, then I salute those who called religion opium of the people.
agreed that I respect Taseer (a playboy) more than hypocrites Amirs of Jamat e Islami and you have all the right to respect them, but if this discussion is for pointing at people's personal lives, then we are deviating the original discussion.
Now please revert whose interpretation of Quran do you accept? Prophet's own based on his own actions (by forgiving those who hurt him by killing his dearest ones , by chewing liver his cousin-cum-uncle, by making him leave his hometown) or Paracha's to apply verses of Surah e Ahzab on all. I hope you might know that Surah e Ahzab was revealed before Fath e Makkah.
How about the following the verse which asks Muslims to enter deen completely and follow all the orders. Have verses like 'Lakum Dinkum waliya din' and 'La ikrah a fiddin' were just used for face saving to provide opportunity of preaching to Muslims when they were oppressed and these verses get cancelled for times to come when Muslims came in dominant position. If this the way to interpret religion, then I salute those who called religion opium of the people.
Hurting prophet and his forgiving attitude is known to everyone. The people mentioned in those ayah are those who spread rumors against prophet thus damaging Islam's cause and efforts. Conspiring against Islam needed to be countered. Hurting prophet for the sake of it and conspiring against him are two different things.
Let me ask you a question. One who abuse prophet or spread rumors against prophet or islam should be free to do so?
No aen baen shaen. Yes or no.
What kind of rumors are you talking about? For me my faith and my Prophet are not that fragile that if a person (specially illiterate one like Asia bibi having no position in the society and having no overall impact) badmouth him, I will be going to kill them. My religion teaches me to do 'afwa' even for people like Rushdie and Taslima Nasreen. My faith promotes debate , it does not make me weaker enough to kill people when I'm intellectually challenged. If there is a rumour or statement against prophet, I would try to search about the statement and will revert with reasoning and not with a gun.
If someone raises question about multiple marriage (marriage with a child) by Prophet, didn't our scholars in past counter such statements with reason. Read thesis by Sir Syed Ahmed Khan against William Muir. Read Rafiq Zakaria's rebuttal against Satanic verses. I have more respect for these Muslims, then those who are mentally challenged like Paracha and promote violence and destruction for their egoist agenda.
Hurting prophet and his forgiving attitude is known to everyone. The people mentioned in those ayah are those who spread rumors against prophet thus damaging Islam's cause and efforts. Conspiring against Islam needed to be countered. Hurting prophet for the sake of it and conspiring against him are two different things.
oh mere bhai, Ghaza e Badar and Ghazwa e Uhad were not gudde gudia ka khel or muk muka and noora kushti prevalent among Pakistani political parties. These were all efforts to eradicate Islam. Did Kuffar e Makkah have any personal grudge against the Prophet. He was their favourite one till he started preaching Islam. No? Even Abu Lahab had friendly relationship and two of Prophet's daughters were married to his sons. So why did they go against Prophet? I don't think that there was some kind of shareeka rivalry between Prophet and Abu Lahab.
When Prophet forgave Abu Sufiyan who was mastermind for most of the Ghazwas. Forgave Hinda who avenged in Ghaza Uhad, then who are we to apply these verses to poor illiterate Christians, whose faith does not require to revere our prophet to the extent we revere Hazrat Isa (AS).