Many Muslims romanticize the idea of “Islami Nizam” or “islamic system of governance” or “khilafat”.
What is the Islamic system?
What i see is in the recent hstory what ever has been termed as “islamic” system was the state wide implementation of muslim personal code.
The women wear hijab, men grow beards, everyone goes to the mosque for prayer, pays Zakat etc. All the things that each and every muslim CAN do on his own without the state. Moreimportantly these things do nto change the socio-economic fabric of the society.
Then there is this “islamic banking”. If it was give an alternative to the capitalism then it has failed miserably in this respect. The money of account holders is used by big businesses to expand their empires.
Often the example of Umer Farooq ra and Umer bin AbdulAziz ra is given to describe the virtues of Islamic system. But the era of the two rulers is what can be said to be “good governance”. They did not leave a “system” that could run on.
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System (may it be any), depends who is running it and what are the intentions behind in running the same. Allah says in Quran ( can't remember the exact verse " .. and do not make my laws as an intrument for ur gain".
Coming to Islamic System, in which the fear of Allah and sense that Allah is watching and known for all of our deeds followed by the Justice holds the primary position.
but if we don't believe in the fact that Allah is watching us then we do what most of people do, we cheat, we lie, we abuse, we take what not belong to us, we live for our selves only, ME comes first of every thing, thats where not islamic but every system fails. Its the attitude and not the system which named to be bad or not-applicable.
To impose Islamic System, first have to educate people, Like our Prophet (PBUH) did, and then the system will be imposed. it is not that we impose Islamic System over night and Society will turn into the Heaven.
As far as Islamic Banking is concerned, it is not a system, it is a new marketing pitch to attracted those to refuse to go for "interest" banking kind of stuff, nothing more, nothing less.
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Brother fear of God is a personal matter and cannot be measured or evaluated. When it comes to running affairs of state, its not the hearts but the actions that account.
Again, the question is what entails an islamic system?
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As you mentioned it Icon, its muslim personal code. Islam’s main purpose is to refine ones character in accordance to what Allah SWT deems just and purposeful. Any system taking root from individuals who themselves have an Islamic character will form a system which is Islamic in nature or where the values of Islam are upheld.
There is no set in stone system which can be called an Islamic system. Any system derives its strengths from what values and principles it is based on. I have always said that people who say Islam is a way of life seldom know what they are trying to convey. And this notion of a system which is Islamic has been extrapolated from such ideologues. A system comes together when its components function as they are supposed to. There is no pre-defined system. There are only pre-defined values and principles and select few ordinances. It is our choice what system we knit around them to fully integrate them with the socio-political-economic fabric of the society we live in.
I agree with what you said about Umar RA and Umar bin abdul Aziz RA reighn of khliafat. All the rightly-guided caliphs governed differently and had totally different systems to meet their peoples needs and introduced measures to satisfy those needs.
A set in stone Islamic system is a myth. Its better to reform one to have an Islamic ideal and then whatever the person does will inherently have an Islamic character.
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this 20% is a zakat or something different?
***In Shia Nizam this amount is given to the Imam.
My understanding is that it was derived from the practice during Rasul Allah's (PBUH) time Maal-i-Ghaneemat share for Rasul Allah (PBUH) was always 20%.
Some Shia sects continue this tradition on a yearly basis like Zakat.
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^yes its absolutely right that Prophet[saw] share was 1/5 of the booty , he lived like a poor man because he gave away most of what he got .....abdullah b abbas[ra] strongly defended this for the household of the prophet all his life
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Many Muslims romanticize the idea of "Islami Nizam" or "islamic system of governance" or "khilafat".
What is the Islamic system?
What i see is in the recent hstory what ever has been termed as "islamic" system was the state wide implementation of muslim personal code.
The women wear hijab, men grow beards, everyone goes to the mosque for prayer, pays Zakat etc. All the things that each and every muslim CAN do on his own without the state. Moreimportantly these things do nto change the socio-economic fabric of the society.
Then there is this "islamic banking". If it was give an alternative to the capitalism then it has failed miserably in this respect. The money of account holders is used by big businesses to expand their empires.
Often the example of Umer Farooq ra and Umer bin AbdulAziz ra is given to describe the virtues of Islamic system. But the era of the two rulers is what can be said to be "good governance". They did not leave a "system" that could run on.
bhaijan beard and burqah alone is not islam of pious caliphate
its basic foundations are rule of shariah,freedom of speech and socio-economic justice ...for that you need a state you cannot expect a hindu banya or a jewish general to strive for this
and umarb khattab[ra] DID leave a system by which a govt. can be run whether or not u agree with the concept of sabiqa and shura or not is a different matter ] but his successor did not care to follow it hence the civil wars in the ummah ....do not blame him for the shortcomings of their successor
the notion of caliphate is romanticized indeed but only when applied to incompentent caliphs who squandered public wealth imposed fasiqs over muslims yet are still fondly remembered.....it does not change the fact that at times caliphate did serve its purpose i.e create the islamic form of govt.
the corrupt dynasties that succeded it confined islam to mere ritualism not saying that isnt important] and hijacked it just as Byzantium romans hijacked early christianity
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From a hadith:
In the beginning, no one will preach, but all will practice; then they will preach, as they will practice; then they will preach, but they wont practice; and finally neither preach nor practice.
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bhaijan beard and burqah alone is not islam of pious caliphate
its basic foundations are rule of shariah,freedom of speech and socio-economic justice ...for that you need a state you cannot expect a hindu banya or a jewish general to strive for this
and umarb khattab[ra] DID leave a system by which a govt. can be run whether or not u agree with the concept of sabiqa and shura or not is a different matter ] but his successor did not care to follow it hence the civil wars in the ummah ....
I never said that beard and burqah is all what Islam is about.
What i want to say is that how does an Islamic system bring about freedom of speech and socio-economic justice?
In what ways is that different from a secular system?
And plz let me remind you that i am not trying to impose myopinion on anyone, i am open to all ideas and its just a learning exercise.
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What i want to say is that how does an Islamic system bring about freedom of speech and socio-economic justice?
Why is freedom of speech such a cornerstone in development these days? I think you mean freedom to call for accountability or question leaders for their approach or inclinations to form certain state policies. Freedom of speech to go around dissing whoever you want to and whenver you want to and wherever you want to is no virtue. I think freedom of speech is entangled with proper dispensation of justice otherwise it can go beyond respectable and moral bounds if we try to separate it own its own.
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Any system that prohibits freedom of speech is immoral and doomed to failure.
Words have their consequences. So don't tell me this absurdity that the absense of freedom of speech is immoral. Freedom of speech that raises questions of accountability is what should not be repressed. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry can say whatever they like irrespective of how it affects others.
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Words have their consequences. So don't tell me this absurdity that the absense of freedom of speech is immoral. Freedom of speech that raises questions of accountability is what should not be repressed. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry can say whatever they like irrespective of how it affects others.
Of course words have consequences. And those who utter them are responsible for them - not the thought or speech police. And of course there are exceptions like defamtion, vulgarity, clear and present danger, perjury, speech that incites hatred or violence, copyright infringement. Anytime a government tries to implement restrictions outside of these that are widely accepted, yes, it is immoral. Tom, Dick, Harry and Abdul have to answer to themselves and their God. It's frankly none of your business or the government's outside of those instances (maybe a few others).
