Quite a few front line religious scholars say that there is a Capital Punishment for Apostasy in Islam. A video Clip of Dr. Israr Ahmad is available at http://www.real-islam.org/audio](http://www.real-islam.org/audio) under the title “A Confession of Defeat” which advocates the same. Similarly, there is a common understanding among Muslim Religious Scholars that in a True Islamic State, Non-Muslims will NOT BE CONSIDERED AS EQUAL CITIZENS. Rather they will be SECOND GRADE CITIZENS. They will not be allowed to preach their religion; they cannot attain high ranks in civil and military on the basis of merit. The foreign policy of a True Islamic state as per said religious scholars will be based on following principles:
1: Either they become Muslim and enjoy equal status as Muslims
2: Or they have to surrender and accept to live as Second Grade Citizens under Islamic Rule
3: Otherwise they must ready to face invasion by Islamic State.
Very broad question, but I’ll try to seggregate the intermixed issues into individual unique perspectives and then we will see where we end.
How do you see that as a problem? What is your perception… Have you tried to understand the reason for that? The scholars should have given the reason for that.
Before I write anything, 1) your statement contains many wrong assumptions. I’d like you to elaborate a bit because such a broad question cannot be answered in few lines like this. 2) have you locked at what would be or what ought to be the status of Muslims under a non-Islamic state?
Yes, definitly, as I have indicated, your question does not seem logical. You seem to intermix many things in an irregular and incomplete manner…
Secondly, Dr. Israar is not a mullah, for your kind information. Don't bundle up every person talking about religion into the designation "Mullah".................
Okay dude, say Allah is one and Muhammad (PBUH) is the LAST prophet of Allah.
Say, I curse the one who claims prophethood after Muhammad (PBUH), the LAST messenger os Allah.........
Say, I curse those who die hard in the latrine...............
If you say that, I am willing to reply to you in this topic otherwise, I believe whatever Dr. Israar has said about you people is right. No further discussion about this anymore. Dr. Israar is right in saying whatever he has said and with his every other scholar saying that too........ ;)
Woah, why would you think a non-muslim is not allowed to practice their religion in an Islamic state?
If the non-muslim is ahlekitaab, they are allowed to practice their religion.
If the non-muslim is not ahlekitaab, then they leave the Islamic State.
If a muslim converts from muslim into a non-muslim, I'm not sure exactly what the punishment is, since this is a highly controversial topic. Some say they are killed, some say they are not. Depends on the scholar.
Well thank God there isn't an Islamic state since after 1400 years a subject so important as killing someone for having a mind of their own is not yet determined.
ok i have a few questions about this whole apostate issue...
what if a person blatantly disagrees with not all but SOME tenets of islam and openly state that they will not practice it?
is refusing some tenets equal to refusing islam altogether? and is it thus apostasy?
how, according to islamic teachings, should such a person be treated on a state level, how should the person's own relatives and family treat him?
for a person that refuses the belief in islam...but not god,...what is the punishment prescribed?
and finally.......what if you are a parent and you see that your child is openly refusing to accept islam....what are you required to do in this case?
is openly refusing to accept islam worse than following selected tenets of islam? and engaging in "bad" acts on the side?
i know the word "some tenets" is too general and i should be specific as to WHICH tenets so lets assume tenets that muslims apply in their social lives like marriage/divorce/adultery etc ....
why should a non-muslim (non-ahelkitab) leave his home, his property and loved ones just because he doesn't want to convert to Islam?
How can you and all these mullas forget the basic rule of Islam that non-muslims are allowed to perform their religious duties anyway they want under the protection of the Islamic state.
Did Prophet Muhammad kicked out all those from Mecca after taking control of Mecca? When Muslims took over Jerusalem, nobody was kicked out or killed (ok argueable) just because they weren't muslims.
How does that make us any better then other religions if you are going to kill non-muslims and kick them out of their houses just because they dont' want to convert. Wouldn't this constitute as a conversion by force? which is strictly prohibited in Islam
And about killing someone if they convert to some other religion from Islam, all I am going to say is that then in this case, other religions should also have the right to kill the people who covert to Islam from their respective religions. How would that feel?
Our people for some reason are always ready to kill and be killed without any sound reason and whats going on around the world with respect to all these bombings and unrest is the result of this nature. Live peacefully yourself and let everybody else live in peace
REMEMBER the meaning of Islam is peace, and NOT war or extremism
You are right…
Plus, let me add another thing here. Because the non-muslims do not believe or have faith in Islam, they are not allowed to fiddle in the state affairs that are being run based on Islamic ideology which the non-muslims denounce. But they do enjoy all benefit that the society enjoys as a whole.
Plus those “non-muslims” who by all means make utmost efforst to sabotage the Islamic ideology, implementation of islamic system in the state DESERVE TO BE COMPLETELY EXTERMINATED…
Isntead, they put blame on the state for not letting them have the equal status (First class Status) in the state affairs. Murtad kaheen key
Oh stop with the extremism. No one has a right to exterminate any group of people for what they believe in. That's what was being done to the muslims when Islam first cropped up in Arabia. Now why would they turn around and persecute others in the like manner?
I got that from common sense. If you are a non ahle-kitaab nonmuslim (ex. atheist) in a muslim country, and you're told that you can be killed for practicing (or is it preaching? I guess this will never be conclusively decided in this thread, as usual), then wouldn't you get the hell out of that country?
At least, it would be an option that many would opt for. Some may try to brave it out, but I doubt it would be a majority of the minority, if that makes sense.
Besides, at least this much is certain: No Islamic government can prevent or stop anyone from leaving the State and moving to another state. At least its not Islamic. And no one Islamic government can have forced mind readings, to know what everyone is thinking.
What will often happen is that a person who is an atheist for example, will not tell others about what he/she really believes, and will quietly leave the State to practice their other faith or lack of faith elsehwere.
Sorry, but your common sense is not correct here, you are again making ASSUMPTION that non-ahle kitaab will be killed in Islamic state its not correct. They are not allowed to “preach”, but no problems in practise.
