We are constantly critical of the West for the treatment of Muslims…but my question is whether an Islamic state would be different…
AK47 for instance is always talking about how the West treats Muslims but then speaks about how Muslims should be looking to create a state…
Samuel Huntington speaks about the clash of civilisations and speaks about how Islamic ideology and Capitalist ideology are contradictory…
Muslims also speak about spreading the Deen till the whole world is ruled by Islam…
Now in the wake of all this it is natural then for the West to be cautious of Muslims…they have their own states and their ideas to protect…so if they see an influx of Islamic ideas in their states…its correct from their viewpoint to attack these people in order to rid the world of this ideology…
Their natural intention is to spread their own deen like Fukuyama says and rid the world of Islam…or spread their own version of Islam…ie a non politicised Islam…one based on personal action rather than political activity…
So…
In an Islamic state…how exactly would we treat say a Hindu missionary who is trying to convert Muslims…or Westerners who try to corrupt Muslims and bring them in line with capitalist thinking…
Wont we do exactly as the West and attack these people and rid them from our state?..
Wont we attack countries who have ideas contradictory to ours and bring them in line with Islam…just like the West intends to do with liberal democracy…
We criticise the West for attacking Muslims but arent they doing what any strong state should do and protect themselves and spread their way of life…cos that is exactly what an Islamic state would do…
Well from my knowledge it does...they have two choices...
- accept the jizya and be ruled by Islam...
- dont accept to be ruled about Islam so we attack by force...
The West has its own ideology...liberal democracy...which they believe to be the best system for mankind so naturally they will go about spreading their 'Deen' becuase they believe those who arent living under it are mssing out...
They do genuinely want to win the hearts and minds of the people...they want to integrate the Muslim people into thinking like they do...to believe in their ideals and values and view democracy and man as their ruler rather than Allah...
So currently they have puppet rulers in Muslim lands who do as they are told and help implement Western policies in their countries...and try and demote Islam to a religion rather than something ideological...
Those countries who hold ideas different to this or dont encourage Western ideas are seen as a threat...so naturally the West will take them out...its politically intelligent to do so...so you can implement your own way of life...
Imperialism is something that the West does...and so does Islam...they want to spread their way of life and so do we...
not according to my knowledge. when provoked, we attack then if they are subdued then accept the jizya and be ruled by Islamic rulers or leave the land
Imperialism is something that the West does...and so does Islam...they want to spread their way of life and so do we...
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Islam was not always imperalist. Islam exists, state or no state, empire or no empire.
Needless to say, all Muslims want no days is to be left alone. And they are quite honest about that. I don't think OBL types have any illusoin of dominating over the West, or what not.
Let us talk about contemporary Islamic movements with contemporary Western governments...it's a bit convienent to slide back and forth in history to make an argument.
the attack with out provocation is proven in quran and sunnah and has been practiced by all the khulafa e rashideen, so please if you do not know about a subject it is better to keep shut. not trying to be rude, but islam does not have “i think” “i heard”, islam is “Allah and his Messenger say”.
true, islam sees itself as a way of life that is in direct challenge to EVERY other way of life. that is it. now the question about that we criticize them for the same thing while we do it. well that is where belief comes in. we believe islam to be the religion from Allah who owns the land and thus His law should rule the land as His law rules the universe. and all other laws are baseless and should be removed. other laws or systems see us as a threat and rightly so, and they resist. now that is where the confrontation begins. out duty is to spread Allah’s word on this earth and so it is “imperialism” but not for a race, or country or language or money or ruling class. it is only for the sake of Allah. and to establish justice. Allah says that
Indeed We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance (justice) that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power (in matters of war), as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allâh may test who it is that will help Him (His religion), and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allâh is All-Strong, All-Mighty. (Al-Hadid 57:25)
so the messengers were sent to establish justice, with respect to human dealings with Allah, other human beings, animals, enviroment and our own self. and iron was sent down by Allah to make sure the balance is established and not threatened by any one or any other system. so yes we call for “imperialism” but only to establish justice. not to replace american tyranny with arab tyranny or pakistani tyranny. but to establish justice. and if some one tells us that you cant attac unless provoked, he is telling a lie. for the reason to implement islamic law is because Allah owns this earth, so how can we be happy with just part of this earth under Allah’s laws. is the other part not Allah’s? and thus it dissolves the false notion. yes we can temporarily sign peace treaties, and make allies. but the final goal is always, to bring isalm to the entire human kind and implement justice all over the earth. not just be content with a country.
I didn’t say anywhere think/heard I expressed my knowledge… if you think I’m wrong then prove it otherwise you are another blabberer like me. If you have seen in Quran where Allah swt says to attack every other nation and subdue them then please enlighten me.
Thinking that Islamic Jihad is only a temporary injunction related to transient conditions and that it is concerned only with the defence of the borders is plain wrong. In fact the concept of Islamic Jihad is totally different from contemporary warfare.
If Jihad were to be allowed only when provoked, how would you establish the Law of Allah in the world? Some would say Da'wah. Fine Da'wah is good, but it takes care of only one half of the job. How would you remove all the obstacles of social, economic, political, racial and class structures that stand in direct contrast to the system Islam wants to bring in?
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone
It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâm), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) hate (it). (At-Tawbah 9:33)
actually the translation seems to be wrong, the actual word is used "deen", which encompasses a whole lot than just "religion". deen is a way of life, so islam is sent to SUPPRESS all other ways of life other than its own. if iwe go by the translation that islam came to suppress other religions then islam would force people to renounce their old religions once they are captured. but instead, non muslims are allowed to remain non muslims as long as their way of life is under islamic law. so it proves that the word deen is different than religion. wallah o alam.
Stu…It takes time to build an army, supply them, arm them…But more importantly, army needs men…
Thanks to the efforts of Bush and the administration’s great work, an army is slowly forming underground…An army of silent recruits who have seen the atrocities committed in the name of Democracy…
Enough blood has been spilt and it just doesn’t get swallowed up by the Earth…It comes back to destroy you…Just like previous empires…
America has drenched the earth in the blood of innocents…Everyone has watched and everyone is a witness…
Your cowboy president has said ‘bring it on’…
It will be brought on…It always has…And it is naive to think it won’t…
in west or india you can say "there is no god but allah" can you say the same thing in
islamic country over the loudspeaker "only way to salvation is through jesus"