Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
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Salam, brother mughal, after reading ur long posts and logic described, i have a simple question to which a simple answer would be appreciated:
Is music haram or not?
And btw, whats the wrong use and right use of music, as u have tried to explain the rules, i am confused?
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
I remind MYSELF first that I need to not skirt around in grey areas of sinfulness because it VERY EASILY leads us to heedlessness!
Abû Abd Allah al-Numân b. Bashîr relates that he heard Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) say: “That which is lawful is clear and that which is unlawful is clear. Between the two are doubtful matters that few people have knowledge about. Whoever avoids these doubtful matters absolves himself of blame with respect to his religion and his honor. Whoever falls into doubtful things will fall into what is unlawful, just like the shepherd who grazes his flock too close to a private pasture is liable to have some of his flock stray into it. Every king has a private pasture, and Allah’s private pasture is what he has prohibited. Verily, in the body is a small piece of flesh that if it is healthy, the whole body is healthy and if it is sick, the whole body is sick. This small piece of flesh is the heart.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
Salam, brother mughal, after reading ur long posts and logic described, i have a simple question to which a simple answer would be appreciated: Is music haram or not? And btw, whats the wrong use and right use of music, as u have tried to explain the rules, i am confused?
Peace brother shopping fan, may be it will help to ask questions regarding legal issues ie why doing something is wrong? If people were sleeping at night and I started playing music very loud in their neighbourhood, would that be ok? Would it be ok if I started talking very loud? The answer to both of these questions will be no, it is not ok to behave this way because others will be disturbed by my such behaviour. If I did not know how to drive and started to drive a car, would that be ok? No, I could end up running over somebody or end up dead myself.
So all conduct and behaviour has to be defined legally and regulated as far as necessary to ensure people live trouble free lives by knowing their responsibilities and rights with respect to each other and fulfilling them. Our rights depend upon all of us fulfilling our responsibilities properly. If some of us fail in that then some of us will not get their rights. If a farmer does not farm properly people will not get food. people are so interlinked and interdependent that we must work together as a team. by each of us going about his life as one likes things will fall apart. This is why the laws are needed for a set purpose and that purpose has to be in minds of all so that they could see what will go wrong in community or society if they did one thing instead of the other.
Coming to music and songs, if you would like to listen to some music or song or speech of somebody etc etc it is all up to you to ensure that you fulfil the conditions just like if you would like to drive a car. In enjoying yourself you are not supposed to be hurting others or causing neusense to others. Law are there so that one person does not do anything in a way that may cause harm to any other person in the community bound by the same law. It is an agreement between people that we will abide by this or that law. Just like house rules. Whenever there are more than people there has to be a law whereby they live their lives otherwise they will be in each other's way every now and then.
Asking if anything is lawful or unlawful is not the right way of asking legal questions if one wants to understand things properly. If a person asks you, can I drive your car? The answer is not simple yes or no unless you know things about the person you need to know before you answer yes or no. It is because as a car owner you have legal responsibilities to fulfil. If you said yes to a person who is disqualified from driving then you are breaking the law. You must ensure that people you allow to drive your car meet the legal requirements eg the person has the licence to drive the car and that the car is road worthy etc etc. Likewise you need to ensure the music you are going to listen to is not going to inspire you to do wrong things. The speech you are going to listen to is not going to make you do things that you may regret later. You are not reading any book that inspires you to behave harmfully.
All this needs learning things and becoming educated so that we could live a good life. imaging if all people became educated and sensitive about community what kind of human society will come about? As things are ummah is wasting its time and resources mostly on wrong things and that is why we are getting into more and more depressing situation. If we want to reverse this then we will have to work hard at learning things ourselves and helping others do the same.
Otherwise if each person lives for himself then we have no society nor community spirit. No sense of responsibility and no concept of rights of each other.
My point is not just about music but whole of our participation in society ie how we conduct ourselves in daily life in dealing with each other. Do we have sense of community and sense of rights and responsibilities about each other? We can harm each other through our talks, writings, readings, songs and music etc etc. It is all a matter of having constructive mindset, attitude and behaviour towards humanity or the opposite. That is how we either enact good laws or bad laws to get what we want. If our aim is for good then we will get that and if our aim is bad then we will get that. The same goes for acting on laws or not acting on laws.
I hope this helps understand things but if not please do not worry about it carry on the way you understand things but don;t give up trying to make sense of things in a better way. We learn everyday for as long as we are alive. If something does not make sense today it may become sensible the day after.
regards and all the best.
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
I remind MYSELF first that I need to not skirt around in grey areas of sinfulness because it VERY EASILY leads us to heedlessness!
Making a halal thing haram is as bad as making a haram thing halal.
So be careful in calling music sinful when also acknowledging that it falls in grey area. Avoid music if you want, but do not criticize anyone if anyone disagrees with you and listens to hamd/naat with music.
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
Making a halal thing haram is as bad as making a haram thing halal.
So be careful in calling music sinful when also acknowledging that it falls in grey area. Avoid music if you want, but do not criticize anyone if anyone disagrees with you and listens to hamd/naat with music.
Brother, nobody here has yet proved music haram or halal, and I was referring it being doubtful .
please read carefully before u post.
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
If people were sleeping at night and I started playing music very loud in their neighbourhood, would that be ok? Would it be ok if I started talking very loud? .
Actually, it makes sense now, totally right about being productive and helping others being one ummah.
as op's actual question was about Islamic ( I guess he was referring to hamd, nasheed, qawali etc) songs with instruments , going with ur reasoning, if someone listenes to it without turning it too loud etc, causing no harm to others , it is permissible then.
but I still have doubts about instruments being allowed even with hamd, nasheed etc. pardon my lack of understanding.
If it had been the case, wouldn't Hassan bin Sabit, the sahabi who used to say poetry in rasool Allah pbuh's shaan( rank, praise) in rasool Allah's presence done it with instruments of that time?
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
Peace All
Ever since I started a spiritual inclusion in to my 2 dimensional Islamic life I found that I did not only have context but I also had a magnification of love and focus to Allah (SWT) and to His Prophet (SAW) ...
In these spiritual gatherings we do dzikr and we sing. We ponder on the words and we celebrate with genuine love the advent of our religion. I personally play the duff in some of these gatherings.
Often people find their "enjoyment" in ways that makes them lose sight of Allah (SWT) and his Rasool (SAW) ... They will go to football matches, they will go to melas, they will go to nightclubs, or even national events and parties of various types ... but they will avoid the majlis where "enjoyment" can be had, but also Remembrance of Allah (SWT) and enhancement of love for RasoolAllah (SAW). I don't understand that ...
Allah (SWT) has given us a desire to be seeking out ways to make our existence in this world "nice" and we find ways of doing that ... but it makes it blessed if we tie in the remembrance of Allah (SWT) in the process. I know some brothers who do not practice these things, but when they come together to have a meal, they will ensure that the name of Allah (SWT) is mentioned to give barakah to the gathering ... The gatherings that I attend are no different to this.
Everything we do is stated in the Qur'an and Sunnah ... although we don't claim that by doing those things that it is sunnah, nafil or fard ... no ... but we definitely claim that these gatherings increase barakah, they help strengthen community and give us the ability to make our Islam a multidimensional affair as it should be ... Without changing the topic ... Let's concentrate on the music topic.
Music in the general sense is haram ...
There are exceptions and those exceptions revolve around they type of music and the purpose of the music ... Music is powerful it has the ability to make us forgetful and can manipulate emotion - If we use the permissible forms to bring us closer to Allah (SWT) and His Rasool (SAW) ... this leads us to a desirable end ... and hence it is desirable.
For the argument about whether there is any doubt in a matter ... this argument is for scholars ... Ignorant/unlearned people should reasonably have doubt in most things because by what they do not know those things will be doubtful for them ... It does not mean that they should abandon most things.
We should follow the consensus of scholars and not doubt them ... "Doubtful" - is a technical term - not everyone's "doubt" on an issue is worth the same. So we need to go to qualified scholars with ijaza and specialisation in the particular fields we are interested to learn about and when they are in doubt - i.e. that there is no internal agreement among the experts then we can say it is doubtful.
Ok, psyah bhai, point well made. Tell us, has there been no consesus, agreement on this topic yet? Has nobody ever asked learned scholars this question for the past centuries?
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
The consensus is that music in the general sense is haram, but there are exceptions with the purpose and the type of instrument being used.
And Allah(SWT) Knows Best
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
The consensus is that music in the general sense is haram, but there are exceptions with the purpose and the type of instrument being used.
And Allah(SWT) Knows Best
"Consensus". Very nice.
One first needs to see if there is consensus on what constitutes consensus.
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
Peace All,
I read a hadith in Shahih Bukhari recorded that our Prophet Muhammad 
said: "From among my followers, there will be some people who will consider: (1) Illegal sexual intercourse, (2) Wearing of Silk, (3) Drinking of alcoholic drinks and (4) use of musical instruments, as lawful.
#1, 3 & 4 is very common now. Precisely speaking, 3 & 4 is even made by lawful by some Islamic countries too, although #1 is hidden operated (not allowed yet). Don’t know about #2.
Why ‘Musical instruments’ is mentioned in this hadith along with others things/acts which is totally prohibited/haraam, that it will be allowed later on even though consider it (all music types/instruments) against the Sharee’ah?
Listening ‘Islamic Songs’ with ’ any kind of musical instruments’ is considered as ‘innovation’.
Re: “Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments
Peace All,
I heard (not sure) that the Christians at their weekly gathering, pray in singing mode with usage of musical instruments. So if we also going to use some musical instruments for so called 'Islamic songs' then what will be the difference between them and us? Just a thought.