“Islamic” Songs With Musical Instruments

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Peace khoji,

Yes but that is in case if there is an occasion of marriage but not in general where we (pplz) use to listen it in everyday.

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^ Allowing it only during marriage is just interpretation of some people. Any one who finds out that Prophet allowed duff at some point of time will come to conclusion that duff is allowed, and therefore musical instruments are not haraam. The only way this conclusion would be wrong is if Prophet specifically mention that I am allowing it only for marriage. So does hadith specifically mention that it is halal for marriage occasion alone?

This is like saying that photography is haram and a kabira gunah ... except when it is for identity card. Well, where did Prophet say that it is ok for Identity purpose?

So these are mere interpretations and excuses. And the need for making these excuses shows clearly that the case against photography or music is not as straightforward as some people like to portray.

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I think Duff was also used by little girls to wlecome Prophet when his she-camel entered Madina during Hijrat.

My understanding is that there are 3 kinds of musical instruments - wind, strings, and percussion. What is prohibited in Islam are wind and string types. I have no direct way of proving my point but this is what I think.

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Psyah bhai, ur opinion ?

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Music or musical instruments themselves are not disallowed. It is their wrong use which was prohibited.

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I said I want to restrict the discussion upto listening of stuff with musical instruments. Sometimes, such stuff is performed in arrangement, which is against norms. That is not restricted to arrangement shown in the video posted in post no. 10. There are mehfil e naat, where they shower money on naat khwans and even naat khwans prefer those gatherings where they can earn most of it. I personally don't like such arrangements.

Hope you got your answer :)

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Peace All,

In Chapter 17 verse 64, a word "Wastafziz [Istafziz]" occurs which literally means 'be-fool them gradually', with your voice..... Means "and fool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice", also referred to 'singing'. Further explained as 'with idle entertainment and singing', meaning, influence them (us) with that'.

If I understood the above verse correctly then I think all kind of singing is prohibited and anything that used in for the purpose of singing is automatically falls in the category of Prohibition.

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Peace LKK

Can you post the complete ayat alongwith Shan e Nazool, etc?

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Dear friends, please remember the foundational rule for law formation that it is not things that are unlawful but their inappropriate use which results in harm or abuse of people.

All people who claim things are unlawful lack proper understanding as to how law is formed and why. It is for purpose of regulating a society towards an end goal and to prevent people from doing things that derail society or its members from that track.

Things only make sense if they have a context and if there is no context then they do not make sense at all. If I say word five, what sense it gives anyone what I am talking about? It looks out of place, does it not?

If a person says this universe is perfect, is one right in saying so? No, because one has to define its purpose for its context so that it could be looked at in context and then conclusion could be reached whether it is or it is not.

Likewise any claim that muslic is lawful or unlawful is senseless without being looked at in its context and that is decided by its purpose or use. If music is unlawful then talking is also unlawful in the very same context in which music is unlawful. The writing is also unlawful in the same context and it is not possible for anyone to prove otherwise. What makes one thing wrong makes all other things wrong in the same context. The question is, what makes one thing wrong so that we could define other things wrong on the same basis?

If anyone attributes anything to God and his messengers then one better have some sense so that one does not end up attributing wrong things to God and his messengers or in a wrong sort of way.

Don't quote verses of the quran out of their proper contexts nor any ahadith. Learn basics before bringing in quran and hadith. It is important to understand framework of proper islam.

According to framework of islam it is not things that are unlawful but having or using them in wrong way which results in abuse, harm or damage to human society or its members in some way.

If people will remember such rules they will be saved from pages full of nonsensical arguments which at the end of the day fail to decide the issues.

Singing or playing music is lawful unless it is done in an inappropriate way that causes problems for people. That is proper islamic position. All verses of the quran and all authentic ahadith fit this context. Use of any quranic verse or hadith against this context will only prove one's ignorance about proper islamic framework or context.

regards and all the best.

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Peace Muqawwee,

I'm going to log out now bcoz its Isha prayer time. Below is complete verse. Shall I post more info after offering Isha prayer?

"And Istafziz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allah's disobedience), make assaults on them with your cavalry and your infantry, mutually share with them wealth and children (by tempting them to earn money by illegal ways usury, etc., or by committing illegal sexual intercourse, etc.), and make promises to them." But Satan promises them nothing but deceit."

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why voice has been interpreted as music. why not flattery as mentioned in Surah e Muafiqoon?

And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allah curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path.

Can you please post background behind the revelation of this particular verse?

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Peace Muqawwee,

In Chapter 17 verse 64, the word for 'Your Voice' translated from 'bisawtika' and in Chapter 64 verse 3, the word 'they speak' translated from 'in yaqooloo', both are different and holds different meaning which can't be taken as one and same.

Voice = The sound produced in a person's larynx and uttered through the mouth, as speech or song.

Speak-ing = The action of conveying information or expressing one's thoughts and feelings in spoken language.

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exactly, how yaqoolo or aswaat can be translated in music? What is the Arabic word for Music and whether it is specifically used in any Surah of Quran?

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One more thing to add: Allah says in Sura e Luqman:

You shall not treat the people with arrogance**, and walk not on earth haughtily; for God does not love anyone who acts proudly and boastfully. Be modest in your bearing and lower your voice; for the ugliest sound is the donkey’s braying.”

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- (Surah Luqman 31: 18-19)

Do we have a verse in Quran mentioning similar thing for Music?

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Peace Mughal1,

I always found your post very informative but after reading your this post, you sounds like you don't know what this thread is about.

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Peace Muqawwee,

Evil has many snares for mankind. The one that is put in the foreground is the "voice"; the seductive personal appeal, that "makes the worse appear the better part". All we need is to just understand by paying little more attention.

Also, kindly note that i am slow reader and I can't catch ur speed. Therefore plz post one thing and wait for the response if it is oky with you. :)

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take your time bro :) come up with specific verse from Quran dealing with the subject (where we don't need to go in far fetched interpretation).

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Peace Muqawwe,

:hat: I think we need to check hadith and Qur’an, both, as ordered by our beloved Prophet Muhammad :saw2: Allow me to share what what I know about that specific Surah (Shan-e-Nazool).

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Peace Muqawwee,

That all what I know (so far).

"The Chapter 17, begin with an allusion to the Mi’raj, and proceed to spiritual history as touching individuals rather than nations. The old Prophets and stories of the past are now referred to, from this point of view. This Chapter illustrating the growth of the individual soul in its reactions against the lives of the communities and the reaction of the communities to the lives of its great individual souls.

The first steps in growth must be through moral conduct, the reciprocal rights of parents and children, kindness to our fellow-men, courage and firmness in the hour of danger, a sense of personal responsibility, and a sens of Almighty Allah’s presence through prayer and praise.

Pride caused the fall of Iblis, but the children of Adam a.s., have been raised in excellence above other Creation. They will be judged by their deeds. Prayer is good at stated times and at night, and the Qur’an is offered as healing and mercy.

Also this Chapter opens with the mystic vision of the Ascension of the Holy Prophet :saw2:. He was transported from the Sacred Masjid (of Mecca) to the Farthest Masjid (of Jerusalem) in a night and shown some of the signs of Almighty Allah.

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Peace brother lethal kamikaze, I hope you have seen following thread, if not please do.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/602657-have-we-got-any-real-sense-about-law-let-us-find-out-please-participate.html

My point is all singing and music is lawful subject to propriety just like we all can talk and say anything that is ok for the occasion. Even if you read the quran it is unlawful if you are causing disturbance to others eg doing so at night in the street causing sleeping people trouble. There is always right way of doing things at right place and at right time.

People can take off their clothes but same applies ie it has to be done the right way at the right place and at the right time. Clothes themselves are neither lawful nor unlawful, it is their use which is either proper or improper.

What is beneficial and why and what is harmful and why is up to people to find out whether they benefit from it or get harmed by it. Taking poison is ok if it benefits and to take it to end one’s life is not right use of it hence it will be taken as unlawful.

Having a gun or knife and using it appropriately will be ok but having them for using them for wrong ends will be unlawful.

So if music in general is fine subject to explained conditions then why should we have islamic and unislamic music? Do we have islamic and unislamic guns and knives or clothes or beds and furniture and houses or daal and chaawal and chana chaat etc etc. We cannot divide things as islamic and unislamic but we can define their use as according to islam or not according to islam and that is what law is all about. We cannot say this chair is islamic but that one over therr is unislamic. The very same chair if used properly will be lawful and if used improperly will become unlawful. If I give you chair and you sit on it that is fine but if you then pick it up and smash it into someone’s head for no reason then that will be inappropriate use of chair or unislamic use of chair.

It is a bit difficult concept to understand but once a person tries harder it is not that difficult. Use of things is declared lawful or unlawful because they either benefit or harm. Take example given by dr zakir naik about smoking ban in the thread to which link is provided. He thinks that because people did not know what smoking does to people, so it was tolerated by shariah but once it has become known that it is lethal, it is no longer lawful. The quran has given us guidelines for formation of laws and that is the reason laws were made by prophet and his followers later and are still inacted as need arises the same way. Some things that were not known in time of prophet to cause harm were not made unlawful eg smoking.

Just reading a verse or hadith and declaring something right or wrong is not the way you make laws. There is a way to form laws and that is why we have road traffic laws today which are islamic even though they were not told about in detail in the quran or hadith.

For more detail I would suggest reading the following threads.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/589810-dimaagh-aur-hawaas-ki-zaroorat-aur-ehmiyat.html

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/590544-islam-main-quran-hadis-aur-fiqh-ka-maqaam-aur-zaroorat.html

regards and all the best.