I find many of the members in this group are very ignorant and pathetic and claiming that people like mullahs should be hanged.
id like to ask all those people opposed to people such as MMA why do they hate them so much, what is an alternative to their viewpoint, and where do they live in Pakistan or the world and from that how do they know their attentions are good or bad
my personal view is that an islamic society can be only established if an islamic republic is established. im not sure wat members of this forum tink, but a pure islamic state dosent contain mullahs anyways but besides thier hate towards mullahs why do they hate an islamic state wen its clear u call urselves muslim.
they don’t hate mullahs, they hate islam and they are afraid of islamic law. they believe that if there is islamic law then they won’t be able to do whatever they want to do. i you look carefully at there posts, you will see that those who hate mullah doesn’t want pakistan to be islamic state
When the population of a 140MM plus is 96% Muslim what form of government do you have? Its unfair to assume that those who do not grow a beard or do not have waistline more than 50inches cannot be Muslims. Pakistan like the other 50plus Muslim states are Islamic cause they are governed by muslims.
Now the mma pahlwans would like you to believe that they are the only champions of Islam, they are dead wrong. Look at this pool of sumo-cum-mulla politicians, theyb are a bunch of religious fanatics trying to defend their narrow minded view of life as dictated by their fikah. JI: Wahabi; JUI: Deobandi; JUP: Barelvi and TNJ: Jaafri. How can anyone on their right frame of mind expect these people to sit down and talk like decent human beings. The first thing they will do after getting power is to impose “their” version of Islam. The next step will be complete annihilation of other sects through coercion ofcourse. Take the example of Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, what do you think were these guys doing? fighting a Jihad? BS, they were knocking off any other sect may it Shia or otherwise.
So please, have some faith in the human race, after all that is what our holy book teaches us.
Society is formed by a collection of people with varying habits but some common values. Islam like all other religion preaches much of the same i.e., social justice, fairness, equality, honesty, sincerity so on so forth. So, its not very easy to give 10 basic characterestics which define a Islamic state, yet be applicable to any Western modern state.
To be a Muslim three basic things are required: (1) Belief in Tawhid, onnes of Allah. (2) Belief in the Prophecy of Muhammed (PBUH) and (3) Belief in Aakhraat or day of judgement. Any person taking these vows becomes a muslim by defination, what he does as an individual without interferring in the lives of others or impacting society is a matter which is considered private between him/her and Allah. Quran is very clear about these things, there is no imposition of religious faith and judgement rests with Allah and Allah only. Even the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is told to deliver the message and let Allah judge deeds of his followers.
Society needs people and people need values to form societies, if we were to adopt the basic principles of human dignity, then we are a step closer to Islamic society.
Hey, excuse me for being blunt,…but lets cut the crap, OK?
I aksed a simple question…and u went on tangent to define what Muslim is, what holy prophet said, etc., etc.
Again, no BS, just clear answer, plz, with sugar on top…what consititues an Islamic society? Remember this is a term that u used, but u have failed to explain it so far.
Lets expand ur last paragraph to concretely define an “islamic society”
if u dont have an answer, just be quiete, and stop using “islamic society” crap next time.
This is for the benefit of lostsoul:
You cannot define societies unless the basic values are not discussed. Like I said, Islamic socieities can take any form or shape cause they will be defined by its constituents i.e. the people and how do you define people then you have to ask what is a muslim. Then again, understanding such concepts are beyond your immature, imbecile mentality which searches for populist and short term solutions. So lets really cut the crap and ask you what the hell do you really want?? Slandering the mma, great we can all do that no problem OR just ask questions w/o any reason.....
one with justice to everyone without considering faith, color, race , rish or poor.
state make sure, every citizen has food and shelter provided.
given the condition 2 is met, islamic punishment can be implemented but only if people are fed, given house to live, and access to jobs.
non muslims are allowed to practice their faith
down to earth and sincere leader of the country who should have atleast feel as Hazrat Umer (Ra) said when he was ruler of Arabia " if a dog dies of thirst on bank of river Fraat(Euphrates), he is responsible and answerable to Allah for that"
torching, street signs, beating women, make loud useless slogans are not part of Islamic Society!
above 5 are very simple and clear steps, but not oftenly understood by politicians/rulers of the country.
i would also like to ask the question : according to suhaib, the MMA force people to do things
but ask ur self this then, in any democracy or nation where a particular style of system is adopted wouldnt u have to follow the laws of that country?
either way islamic or not all governments must enforce the law wether it be related to the crime you commit or the clothe you wear.
uve never really had an islamic state so y are u making false accusations bout MMA or are u afraid that the haram things people do inc me may commit becom illegal.
nobody like mullahs but wer not talkin bout mullahs but an islamic republics existence or not
lost soul, it looks like to me ur from america n da american brainswashing u get from the american media is dangerous and i can see it now-
first of all no muslim would ever doubt that an islamic nation would be a disadvantage to them- even in the UK muslims strive for an islamic state. nobody thinks like u do
seocndly, u dont know any of the politics of the world- firstly america and the jews are the biggest mass murderers of the world. they are wat we call capitalists. like shak ill was saying if every one is well fed and sheltered there is no point of islamic punishment unless someones steals. muslilms dont believe in materalism becoz of dat capitalists sought to make muslims weak by making them poor- den the rest of the world tinks islamic states are weak and then countries like america got aftetr them and turn dem to secular capitalist nations- muslims in dat nation tink dat it will benefit dem- but as we go on capitalism is just a load of bull****-
islamic nation are nothin like dat- plus i dont know why u asked dis question-
“Why not express how u implement ur Islamic state? its economics system? Judicial system? If u r speechless, remain so.”
i thought u knew all the facts about islam , if not den why are u making assumptions bout an islamic state-
if u cant talk den remain speechless- or u can hava look at dis to anwer ur questions
When the population of a 140MM plus is 96% Muslim what form of government do you have? Its unfair to assume that those who do not grow a beard or do not have waistline more than 50inches cannot be Muslims. Pakistan like the other 50plus Muslim states are Islamic cause they are governed by muslims.
