Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better

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Im sure many of you already know this but i found this article very informative…

Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better
…scientific reason…

Al Shaddad Bin Aous has quoted this tradition of the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H.) “God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter, sharpen your blade to relieve its pain”.
Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University, Germany, proved through an experiment, using an electroencephalograph (EEG) and electrocardiogram (ECG) that Islamic slaughter is THE humane method of slaughter and captive bolt stunning, practiced by the Western method, causes severe pain to the animal. The results surprised many.

Experimental Details:

  1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

  2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

  3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

  4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

  5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.

Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

  1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

  2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

  3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

  4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - Western method by C.B.P. Stunning

  1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

  2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

  3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

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If Science says that by slowly killing an animal is correct, I think those Scientists should re-think their theories.

It's common sense, that killing slowly is torturous.

Simple example.

You wear a bandage for a cut. What is more painful, quickly taking it off? Or slowly removing it?

To kill an animal quickly is much more humane. A blow to the head, where the animal is knocked unconscious immediately will not allow the animal to even realize a second of any pain, and death would occur while the animal is indeed unconscious.

If you're gonna benefit from the meat of an animal, at least you could do the animal a favour by relieving it from pain instantly than slowly.

Certainly these two doctors, MD's or PHD's, cannot speak for the whole scientific community. I am interested in looking into this more futhur.

Rational thinking is the basis of science.

Arai

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Please dont assume things!!
Who talked about killing slowly??
When u use a sharp blade, r u killing slowly??
As a Muslim, I believe that Allah knows best and scientific proof/confirmation of some Islamic beliefs, is just yet another assurance of that fact.
If u choose to disagree with Islamic beliefs, ur entitled to it cuz ur not Muslim; if u choose to disagree with science, well, that's ur opinion.

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When you kill any animal fast…sure it does not hurt the animal as the slower process would, but it leaves much of the blood in side the dead animal.

Tell me something, How do you know that killing an animal fast or slow hurts or does not hurt?

Does the animal communicate with you? Wow!!! HUH?

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Please read the article carefully…the halaal way of slaughtering animal doesnt leave blood in the animal, which can be unhealthy, and which is also haraam in Islam (consumption of any blood).
And as for communicating with animals…once again READ the article, the proceedure was done with scientific equipment.
Try to post some productive comments please!!!

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hk..i was responding to arai, who is all carer of animals…lol

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I am not a protector of animals, if I eat them.

Why can't you drain blood from an animal when you kill it quickly? Simply, KILL (bring it DEATH) the animal quickly, and do the same you with do in an Islamic ritual.

But don't make the process of DEATH slow. That's what I am getting at.

Arai

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Arai and also hk,

Fraudia raised this issue quite recently in a previous thread… you may be interested to see that…
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/Forum13/HTML/001602.html

They shoot partypoopers, don’t they?

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Arai

have you asked anyone who got electrecuted but survived how much pain is felt.

now ask the same question to someone who got stabbed.

Yes there will be mental anguish on the person who is bleeding (to the point close to death) but the person who believes in God and knows he followed his path will be calmer compared to say an atheist.
That was for Human beings.

Now consider that animals also pray to god considering they are his creations as well. So it gives them time to say their last rites .

See the whole concept revolves around God. He created us and rest of things we see and dont see, so what is said by Him will definitely hold true and be the best way.

If you do not believe in God then of course you will come up with responses as you just posted.

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So, if everyone is God's creation.

Do you do ritual Islamic things when you harvest tomatoes, or cut off Vegetables from the ground? Do vegetables also say their last rites?

To me, it seems as though, this Islamic ritual seems like a way to be forgiven to be killing one of Allah's animals. Not for the animal to say it's rites, but for the killer to be forgiven for the sin of killing.

In Maple Leafs Foods Canada. They're meat is Halal, and they claim to do a Mass prayer on the flock of animals, and most of them are killed instantly, not slowly since that would be inefficient in time and production. Does this make sense?

Halal Meat, is just a simple indication that the animal died a cruel death in the name of religion, and for the sake of cruelty. I avoid Halal meat whenever I can. There is one thing, we benefit from the animals meat, with the animals very own death. But for the animal to suffer pain for our benefit is cruel.

For the person who said someone survived Electrocution. I am sure it was painful, half their nerve endings would be destroyed, and many other ground nervous parts of their body.

For someone to be killed of stabbing. Yes that would be slow and painful, I'm sure they would be crying in agony.

For someone who is shot instantly in the head. Do you hear anything from them? Do you hear, or see pain? A sudden blow to the head, the person is well unconscious before death. Similar to an accident, many people who get in accidents where they are unconscious (and I've been in that state), never experienced the pain because the pain took place during unconsciousness, and being unconscious, you're also unconscious of pain. The only pain felt was when awakening, and rehabilitating.

Arai

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Arai.

sudden death is painful. they don’t allow tests to be done like shooting humans in the head otherwise I would have given an example.

As for treatment of animals - Islam is very strict on it - all animals should be very well treated or you shall answer to God on Judgement day.

Following links have description of Halal, zibah and method of slaughter.
http://www.halalfoodauthority.com/def_zibah.html
http://www.halalfoodauthority.com/slaughter_p.html

As far as being unconsious.. I do not have a problem with that.. From what i had a conversation with the UK Halal Food Authority representative - the animal may not suffer dring slaughter and must be alive at the time of the slaughter.

If the head stun does not cause pain - and the animal is alive at the time the neck is cut (and yes in all abatoirs the neck is cut first to drain as much of blood as possible) then an unconsious animal may be slaughtered.

But to this date there has not been any way to prove by the Animal welfare people that

  1. Animal suffers distress when slaughtered the ‘Islamic’ or ‘Jewish’ way. (yes the Kosher slaughter is similar)
  2. The animal will revive after the animal is stunned.

It was brought to my attention by a person in the poultry trade that on the assembly line if the animal is not unconsious the meat will be get bruised and unfit for consumption.

P.S. disregard my comments regarding last rites - that was not correct.

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blackzero has explained quite well i think. Arai, you can choose to criticize the scientific proof and the Islamic way, i dont know what kind of strange logic ur using to convince yourself of the uselessness of religious principles....could it be b/c ur an atheist?? no offense intended, by the way. Anyway, ive come across another article from the US that says that the method of slaughtering animals with a stun gun could contribute to the spread of 'mad cow' disease. The article has nothing to do with the Islamic method, merely an observation and fact. I can post the link if u want.

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Originally posted by hk:
blackzero has explained quite well i think. Arai, you can choose to criticize the scientific proof and the Islamic way, i dont know what kind of strange logic ur using to convince yourself of the uselessness of religious principles....could it be b/c ur an atheist?? no offense intended, by the way. Anyway, ive come across another article from the US that says that the method of slaughtering animals with a stun gun could contribute to the spread of 'mad cow' disease. The article has nothing to do with the Islamic method, merely an observation and fact. I can post the link if u want.
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I'm sorry .i saw this interesting & important though discussed before subject ,right now,otherwise i would have posted earlier.
I'm a neurologist ,so you can hear it from the horses mouth. In first severing the carotid artery which is the ,major vessel supplying 90% of blood to the brain is cut rapidly with sharp knife ,within 30 sec. the brain is deprived of circulation.Immediately due to lack of oxygen carried by red Hemoglobin)in red blood cells .This rapidly sort of rendering the brain unconscious ASSURES less suffering & pain.Some body questioned how do you know?Yes scientists know what you feel at different level of consciousness.There are almost 8 levels of consciousness & belive me many of you are not in the most sharp & aroused state of mind as u can feel yourself when u can't remember good ,feel sleepy & drowsy.
Anwayze ,the experiment that HK has posted ,is only for sceptics & cynics b/c by already known facts about circulation & brain anoxia ,it doesn,t take a genius of a student of neurophysiology to know that when brain becomes numb.it doesn.t feel NOTHING.!
Few words about mad cow disease thingy that HK,mentioned,is viral infection in brain & probably can be spread more if other means of killing cattle like blowing up the brain by gun ,which is commonly used in england & in some places here ,might be more contaminating by directly splashing brain all over .I have to see the article & HK if you can be so kind to post it here PLZ.

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The animals here are stunned by electric shock to the brain - not by shooting

just wanted to clarify that.

The main problem with mad cow disease is that the west has made herbivores into omnivores by feeding them bone meal. That according to Islam probably makes it 'makrooh'.

But if you start feeding cows parts of other cows.. you are going to get cyclic infestation of microbes which have a bigger chance of mutating - thus mad cow disease and its mutated HUman variant - a type of CJD.

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Because, I'm an atheist am I not allowed to possess common logic and sense?

Why simply can't the blood be drained the Islamic way AFTER the animal is dead? Kill it instantly, then do whatever rituals you need have to do. (You also said, to disregard the last rites), therefore the animal doesn't require any sort of prayer or rites before Death, therefore the animal can be killed instantly, and thus whatever ritual is performed to make meat Halal, do so. If Halal is essentially "cleaner" , more "pure" meat, keep doing the way you do it, but just after the animals death.

I don't see why this is hard to understand.

Arai

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Long live vegetarianism.

The matter rests (RIP)

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Arai,

Making meat Halaal is not simply a matter of taking Allahs name when you kill it.
Otherwise you could simply say the proper words and then shoot it !. By cutting the major arteries, what you are ensuring is that most of the blood will be drained out of the animal.

If you ever walk into a non-hallal meat shop you will notice that the meat is more 'red' compared to a Halaal meat shop.

Since many/most diseases are blood born and are transmitted through blood, by draining all the blood out of the meat you are also reducing the risk of catching something.

Death is only the Beginning.

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Why do we have to eat other animals when nature has provided such a huge variety of edible fruits and vegetables in all kinds of flavors, colors and richness. All our nutritional needs can also be fullfilled very easily. We use religion to legitimize killing of other animals.

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Azad munna..that article is a year or two old i think…but i’ll post it soon…gotta go to class now

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amy:

Ofcourse, YOU can choose to eat those fruits and vegetables only. Thats what vegetarians and fruitarians (ah! Notting Hill) do.

However, from a muslim standpoint, one can not make a halal (permissible) food item into haram (prohibited) and vice versa. Meaning a muslim can choose to eat only vegetables, but can't say that eating meat is haram. E.g. I don't eat beef (for medical reasons) but I don't consider it haram.

Re: methods of slaughter, Islam has clear cut guidelines. The article by hk is only for the non-believers. Those who are muslims already know the many advantages of killing (halal) animals quickly and of draining the blood. A non-believer can refuse to accept logic and medical proof. Its up to them. Don't waste your sweat on proving this again and again...

Stay cool.

Adios!