Wese I really wonder when people so readily negate the institution of Ahadith. I wonder then how do they offer their prayers anf from where did they take guidance in terms of the other arakeen e Islam. They believe in ijtehad, but they wont trust AHadith. Pity.
Painful truth in few cases of our times.
If you're so annoyed at my husband's posts then go call your wife for your help or call all of your family members here, I wouldn't complain.
Unlike "some" people, I don't need another person to come in and clean up after me or explain my views. :)
By the way, for all your questioning others, may be you should do some of your own reading and provide your views too. All you have done in this thread is just trying to poke fun at others, without offering any substantive views on the topic. Its actually very typical of those who can't do any research and thinking on their own and just hide behind others. If you have some original views of your own, bring them forward, rather than hiding behind a sarcastic attitude or throwing around nit-picking questions. :p
Typical!
Hareem may be I dont posses illam and aqal like you do but believe me I know a thing or two. What I have posted is all common knowlege about Islam and tareqa-e -hayaat according to islam in a muslim family. I may not know back of my hand the hadees ar ayat for refrence but trust me these aren't my theories and ppl I learnt from know about Islam much more than any body in this forum.
Fasail about not watching tv you know in Islam one should avoid to see namahram ppl coz you know when a young lad see a young girl in fashionable without parda clothes shatan can take advantage of senstive situation and can lure him his trap.
So it all boils down to your frame of mind , niyat and irada . If I watch a movie with the frame of mind that I am learning a valuable lesson about how to live and survive in this world, it is fine. Or I watch a comedy with the frame of mind that I am stress and relieving that stress by watching this movie is good for my health and it will save me from having a heart attach or ulcer , I guess that will be fine. Trust me my intention to watch that movie is not to enjoy the half naked bodies of women in that movie.
Peace Mirch bro
For a second it seemed that you are trying to catch me out. It is fairly simple really. I did say earlier that some things that higher priority over other things. Actually the best Muslims will be those who will have fun from worship, but others may be able to find worship in this fun activities.
For example ...
Prayer itself can be fun ... but is someone is watching TV as a form of entertainment then he or she should do what they can to make it as Islamic as possible.
Sometimes intention is not enough to preside over 'good' Islamic fun act. It is not good to harm oneself even if it is may be fun to do so for example. Fun has been routed from the meaning of frivolous i.e. pointless activity and to say if Islam has pointless elements the answer is no. But then to say if Islam allows pointless activity the answer has to be yes but prefers things before pointless actions and warns that pointless actions can very easily slip in to shunned and forbidden actions to the unwitting Muslim.
Hopefully you understand now though I cannot forbid TV ... I can suggest better alternatives ... the best being to learn how to find 'fun' and 'joy' in worship to cater for our needs in those areas.
Unlike "some" people, I don't need another person to come in and clean up after me or explain my views. :)
I didn't ask him to defend me. :)
By the way, for all your questioning others, may be you should do some of your own reading and provide your views too. All you have done in this thread is just trying to poke fun at others, without offering any substantive views on the topic. Its actually very typical of those who can't do any research and thinking on their own and just hide behind others. If you have some original views of your own, bring them forward, rather than hiding behind a sarcastic attitude or throwing around nit-picking questions. :p
I have presented my views, read my posts in the beginning of this thread. And you're the one who's making claims that you can't do this and that, so you need to prove it not I.
What I have posted is all common knowlege about Islam .
No, what you posted is common misconceptions among muslims and non muslims so sheeeeeshsh.
the best thing is to learn how to find 'fun' and 'joy' in worship to cater for our needs in those areas.
Well said. When we read the lifestyle of our ideals, we rarely find anything done by them only for the sake of fun and entertainment. Everything they did for the love of Allah (s.w.t) and the prophet (saw) they enjoyed the most !
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands of their sons, or the sons of their husbands or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons or their women or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known... (Surah an-Noor:31)
..Stay in your homes and do not bedeck yourselves as in the days of ignorance(Al-Ahzab 33:33) This verse, addressed to the wives of the Prophet in particular and to all other pious women, simply advises women to stay at home if there is no good reason to go out. It suggests that it is better to stay indoors and concentrate on making a warm and happy household than to go out for no particular purpose. Now keeping in mind theses ayyat I dont think a woman in parda can go out just for sake of fun.
Tv wasnt invented in prophet days but Islam discourages looking at namahram thats why "lower you gaze" is an order,
I dont have to give details about Israff and simplicity coz every one knows how the prophet and sahaba lived their lives. Cahrity yeah when bibi Fatima was fasting and had just with one date a needy came and she gave even that one date to him..so what you think propet and his family did with the extra money.
Any way as I said these are very small details that children are taught in an Islamic family.
No, what you posted is common misconceptions among muslims and non muslims so sheeeeeshsh.
Ok you know you win...myself, my whole family and others here are just bunch of jahils who do not know anything. So when are you starting a tour to preach a Right version of Islam so all of us who have lost in misconceptions can benifit from it.
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands of their sons, or the sons of their husbands or their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons or their women or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known... (Surah an-Noor:31) ..Stay in your homes and do not bedeck yourselves as in the days of ignorance(Al-Ahzab 33:33) This verse, addressed to the wives of the Prophet in particular and to all other pious women, simply advises women to stay at home if there is no good reason to go out. It suggests that it is better to stay indoors and concentrate on making a warm and happy household than to go out for no particular purpose. Now keeping in mind theses ayyat I dont think a woman in parda can go out just for sake of fun. Tv wasnt invented in prophet days but Islam discourages looking at namahram thats why "lower you gaze" is an order, I dont have to give details about Israff and simplicity coz every one knows how the prophet and sahaba lived their lives. Cahrity yeah when bibi Fatima was fasting and had just with one date a needy came and she gave even that one date to him..so what you think propet and his family did with the extra money. Any way as I said these are very small details that children are taught in an Islamic family.
Well here is the full ayah's contextual translation:
32. O wives of the Prophet!** You are not like any other women. **If you keep you have Taqwa, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner.) (33. And stay in your houses, and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance, and perform the Salah, and give Zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove the Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) (34. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah. Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things.)
Specifically wives of the Prophet(SAW) have been addressed and most importantly they have said to be "not like any other women".
And the other ayah about "lowering gaze" it is better not to look at all but specifically means not to look with lustfull intentions or to draw lustfull intention.
I agree with discourages but not forbidden.
Also about charity, the obligation of zakat is on every rich muslim but it doesn't mean that he has to give all of his extra money in charity but if he does then it's his own choice and it's better.
The actual fixed money for zakat is very little.
mere naaqis ilm k mutabiq
islaam ko jub momin kay ley zabta-e-haiyat kaha gaya to is ka mutlab saaf zaahir hay k momin kissi bhi haal main shariyat kay asoolooN say baahir na ho ga
do u know About Amal _ e_mubah ?
woh amoor jin kay kernay per na app ko sawaab hay or na gunnnah .
*jaisai app ki tafreehaat jin ka maqsad sirf waqt guzarana hay ( is shert k saath k us say koi sharaye asool na toot raha ho _ to woh ammal-e- mubaah hay na sawab na gunnah *
lakin
*yehe tafreeh agar kissi maqsad k ley ho jaisai app Cricket khaylain foot baal kahylain is maqsad k ley k app ki body fresh ho gee ..or ap us milnay walee qoowat say apnay Deene faraiz ko or ahsan tareeqay say nibhaain gay *
to ap ki yehe tafreeh SAWAB ka baais bun jayee
*lakin *
app ka yehee FUN aisa ho kay app ki namaz ka waqt nikal jayee app is main koi shert bazee laga lain to SHAYtanee amal bun jayee ga
*jis terah maths k questions main app ko sirf ik formula pata honay chaeye k us say saray sawal hal ho jaain to yeh bhi ik zaabta hay is per app apnee tafreehaat ko rakh lain *
app nay wazhat nahi ki yeh games ki tor per khaiylay jaain jaisai women cricket team hay ya jo lahore main women race hoyee thee waisai ?
to main or app bulkay sub muslman jaantay hain yeh HARAM hay ...jub muslm awrat ko NAmehram say perda kerna ka keh diya gya to yeh jawazz kahan say milaay ga kay saree duniya kay samnay bhaagtee phiray ?
haan mukmal perday main yane jahan koi na mehram mard na ho womens apas main khail saktee hain apnay gheroon main ya koi aisa jagah jo kahwateen k lay mutkhtas ho
or jub app apne tafreehat main itna khiyal rakhain gay k na mere ibadaat mutasir hoon na koi haraam faail mujh say is doraan ho jayee to khud bakhud Akhraat ki fikkar bhi saath agyeee
to app ka yeh ashkaal bhi door ho gaya kay akhrat ki fikaar kertay rahay to tafreeh kub karain gay : )
Wow...........Jazak Allah.
Kia zabardast undaaz say amjhaya hai.
Problem girl I love you. You are great. Salute to you.
I didn't know aap itni genius hain.
Re: Islamic fun.
I do whatever makes me happy 
Well here is the full ayah's contextual translation: 32. O wives of the Prophet!** You are not like any other women. **If you keep you have Taqwa, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner.) (33. And stay in your houses, and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance, and perform the Salah, and give Zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove the Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) (34. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah. Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things.)
Specifically wives of the Prophet(SAW) have been addressed and most importantly they have said to be "not like any other women".
And the other ayah about "lowering gaze" it is better not to look at all but specifically means not to look with lustfull intentions or to draw lustfull intention. I agree with discourages but not forbidden.
Also about charity, the obligation of zakat is on every rich muslim but it doesn't mean that he has to give all of his extra money in charity but if he does then it's his own choice and it's better. The actual fixed money for zakat is very little.
Beautifuly said hareem01. :)
This verses has been a thorn between various sections of muslims trying to understand if was said for Prophets (pbuh) wives or all women. But muslims who have "great" knowledge of all those men written so called hadits books can't even see the very begining of this verse: 32. O wives of the Prophet!** You are not like any other women.** O' people you have gone astray.
Beautifuly said hareem01. :)
This verses has been a thorn between various sections of muslims trying to understand if was said for Prophets (pbuh) wives or all women. But muslims who have "great" knowledge of all those men written so called hadits books can't even see the very begining of this verse: 32. O wives of the Prophet!** You are not like any other women.** O' people you have gone astray.
Jazakallah bro. About hadith, I think the way some people translate and interprete or misinterprete Qur'an they can do same to hadith, but I won't force you to believe in hadith as i know your stance on ahadith.
In 2005 I took the PMP exam. It was four hours long. I was really worried about the length of it and was afraid to get tired and loose focus. My experienced friends told me that I was allowed to take breaks. So, I carefully planned them: when would I take them, what would I do in them. I took large coffee to exam room, in break I went to wash room relieve myself (even though I don't need it) washed my face, ate some snacks (I even put some thinking in choosing snacks, so that I would get the maximum energy for my exam and don't bother my digestive and other systems too much).
I didn't think too much about the exam during the break but everything I was doing in the break was to rejuvenate myself for rest of the exam.
Indeed it worked and I was fully focused till the last minute. I passed the exam.
Moral of the story: if you haven't got it by now this post is not for you, sorry to take your time.
This made so much sense, thanks for posting! :biggthumb
First of all I completly disagree with the notion that mine or yours work or Knowledge towards religion is anywhere near comparing to the scholars's work. We can choose not to listen and live our lives the way we want but that does not abolish the fact that our "work" towards islam is puny to the level of nonexistance.
Secondly quran is not meant to be a private conversation between te GOd and prophet. When some order is adressed towards prophet it implies to other muslims as well. Same goes for the prophet's wives. We are also asked to live our lives in manner of the prophet. There are so many examples from quran where prophet is addressd but it goes for all muslims.
Anyway as I have said everyone can choose to live however they want because in the end everyone is responsible of his/her own acts. But the fact remains that we have absolutely molded the religion to our needs,what fit our lifestyle and satisfy our conscious and we do not like when told that it may be wrong in anyway. Calling a spade a spade is very difficult however it amazes me that kal kay bachay start to challange the work done with through research and start acting like the Islam police.
First of all I completly disagree with the notion that mine or yours work or Knowledge towards religion is anywhere near comparing to the scholars's work. We can choose not to listen and live our lives the way we want but that does not abolish the fact that our "work" towards islam is puny to the level of nonexistance. Secondly quran is not meant to be a private conversation between te GOd and prophet. When some order is adressed towards prophet it implies to other muslims as well. Same goes for the prophet's wives. We are also asked to live our lives in manner of the prophet. There are so many examples from quran where prophet is addressd but it goes for all muslims. Anyway as I have said everyone can choose to live however they want because in the end everyone is responsible of his/her own acts. But the fact remains that we have absolutely molded the religion to our needs,what fit our lifestyle and satisfy our conscious and we do not like when told that it may be wrong in anyway. Calling a spade a spade is very difficult however it amazes me that kal kay bachay start to challange the work done with through research and start acting like the Islam police.
Peace bebo
If you permit me to see what the problem is?
In your first post of this thread you wrote:
Good topic. My understanding is there is no such thing as Islamic fun.(Fun in the sense of actual fun). Reason is Islam forbids to waste time in Idel activites which make you forget you duty towards allah. Muslims should spend any spare time in ibbadat because you never know which moment is your last. Israff is forbidden and extra amount of money should go to charity. For women it is even thougher because she is not suppose to leave the home with out any real purpose and the parda issue also makes it difficult. One cannot even watch tv because one sould not see na mahram ppl, Cannot throw lavish parties because Islam encourages simlicitiy and forbid Israf. Having said that I dont think it is practical and one would go nuts living in such confinement.
Now please read below and see if you can agree:
Good topic. My understanding is there is no such thing as Islamic fun.(Fun in the sense of pointless/frivolous/shaitanic fun). Reason is Islam forbids to waste time in Idel activites which make you forget you duty towards allah. Muslims should spend any spare time in ibbadat because you never know which moment is your last. but this could be fun to do ... right?
Israff is forbidden and extra amount of money should go to charity. better to go to charity, but even this can be fun ... right? ... A smile shows I am having fun, a smile is charity
For women it is even thougher because she is not suppose to leave the home with out any real purpose and the parda issue also makes it difficult.but she can have fun at home ... no? Fun with decoration, fun with family, fun with managing the affairs
One cannot even watch tv because one sould not see na mahram ppl, there is nothing wrong in seeing na mahram, it is to have lustful thoughts when looking at na mahram which is not allowed, lowering the eyes is an instruction for when in public and no intent or reason is there to interact. Also when there is risk of being attracted. Non-mahram female to male interactions are allowed on certains levels.
Cannot throw lavish parties because Islam encourages simlicitiy and forbid Israf. parties are not the only means to fun
Having said that I dont think it is practical and one would go nuts living in such confinement - **this is the real problem statement. If what you say is Islam then it has to be practical, but if what you describe is not practical then you need to re-evaluate what Islam really means to you. Something that you claim to be such and such with no obligation to adhere to it on account of it being impractical or to fulfil the practical requirements of Islam and being satisfied with it. ...
Islam is fun if you know how **
Psyah thanks for disagreeing wit my post in a well behaved and civilized manner. May be some one needs to learn a thing or two from your mannarism.
And I dont have any problem with what you wrote.