Are you really unaware about the rules that a Khalifa must fulfill to be a Khalifa
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You believe that a Khilafat is a monarchy much like the Arabians, English and the Roman Catholic Church…
The Muslim Khalifa in reality is a person extremely learned in the ways of Quran and Sunnah and very humble…
Instances of our Khalifas tell us of their sense of justice and piety…Once again, you are mistaking modern Muslim leaders with the Islamic leaders of yore…
Big mistake…They were people of substance, of principles, of beliefs and no fear of death or defeat shook their resolve…
These Muslim leaders of today are turncoats and traitors…Before they came as advisors or ministers in the form of Mir Jaffar and Mir Sadiq and sold their own leaders for the highest price to the enemy…Today they come as they are, having taken the place of the leaders they helped bring down, and unlike the former leaders, who would fight to the death to protect Muslims, ones today will sell us out…Like Allawi…
So, rest assured…The Khilafat goes to the most learned and mostly eldest guy…And the true Muslim never sells out…
My Philosophy professor, Dr. Sangki Kim, once when I first joined his classed said; 'I never discuss my political ideologies with just anyone…"
A semester later, I was discussing with him his views regarding Taliban, America and the Muslim world…We called him Mind Warper, beacause he had a way of warping your mind to believe him in whatever view he held about anything…
If you wish to see the Smiling Buddha in real life, he is it…
I now realize what he meant when he said that…
It is not a wise choice to go into a Redneck neighborhood and burn an American flag while discussing your political affiliations…The American Freedom allows only whites to do that…My life wouldn’t be worth the tobacco spittle on the first hick that caps me…
I sense our conversation will lead us nowhere…
As far as I am concerned, the land belonged to God before you claimed it…Hence, it’s as much ours as yours…You just came here before us, that’s all…
I don’t consider any Islamic country Islamic as per say…The last Islamic state broke up in 1924…Hence we got sell-outs bought with the almighty Dollar…
Once we have the Khilafat back :insha:, then we’d see what happens…
And if you read correctly, you’d see that my name is spelled Lajawab, not the way you spelled it…
The Usmani Khilafat was the time when the Muslims had a leader...I don't know why People call Usmani the Ottoman and the Masjid the Mosque...I swear, if an American can't pronounce the word 'Masjid', then I guess it's better for all they only know one langauge...
An ottoman is the thing which you rest your feet on...
Lajawab,
I appreciate your explanations and I myself don't see other Muslim nations as truly Islamic either. But I still have questions about the Usmani caliphate. Were they not known as sultans? And like Raihan was explaining earlier a caliph is elected by the Majlis, so was this how the caliphs were chosen in the Usmani government? What made the Usmani caliphate dissolve? I think if Muslims truly want a caliphate back we need to look at the deficiencies in the Usmani caliphate and see what made the Usmani caliphate dissapear into the annals of history so we can avoid such problems. Now finally I'd like to know is if the government system you're talking about the same as the one Raihan is talking about?
Majlis Al Ummah consists of men and women; muslims and non-muslims. Their role in the government is to discuss issues not laws.
The khalif is not chosen from this group, the khalif can be anyone from the Muslim Ummah, who is sane, free, just, male, baligh there are two other conditions which I can't remember at the moment, i'll get back to you with this.
Only Muslims, male or female, who are baligh can vote.
Only Muslims male or female can become executive assistants.
When the Prophet heard the news that the people of Persia had made the daughter of Khorsrau their queen (ruler), he said, "Never will such a nation succeed as makes a woman their ruler."
According to the scholars whenever success is mentioned in the Qur'an or Sunnah it means Jannah.
I've started a thread where you can discuss whether Islam is a religion or an ideology. Why didn't you post in that one if you felt that strongly about it.
Church failed because christians rejected it, hindu sects failed because hindus rejected it, Muslims never rejected that Khilafah, kemal ataturk along with the british, the missionaries, the crusades, greek philosophy which produce sufi thought all led to the decline and destruction of the Khilafah.
The slump began a few centuries ago. The Islamic Empries reached their peak in the 16th century. It was downhill after that because of the reformations within Christian Europe that encouraged learning, progess, religous freedom, tolerance, commerce and innovation. Those are the things that will determine the great civiliations of the future as well - not strict, dogmatic, fundamentalist phillosophies.
Here’s a timeline for pack of clueless morons led by our own Mr. Lajwanti.
In terms of history of near east.
-Lots of stuff happened prior to 5th century BC (mainly stone age and earlier kinda stuff)
-Lots of more stuff happened between 5th and 1st century BC (mainly Hellenic stuff – Alexander as well as Roman conquests).
-In the 1st Century, Byzantine empire (prior to the birth of Prophet Mohammad :saw: ) and the largest Church is built in Constantinople. (Later converted into mosque by religious idiots – see below).
-Then some more stuff happened in the late first century.
-Beginning of second, the Ottoman come and form an Empire that spreads in part of Europe, most of North Africa and all of Middle East (pretty darn big empire).
-The large Church is converted into a Largest Mosque. It remained a Mosque between 15th and the 20th century (until 1935). Go friggin figure and ask youself why shouldnt Babri Mosque be what it used to be before it was a mosque.
-Whatever happened to the Ottoman is pretty well known, and hope is remembered forever. Ottoman were the biggest Bachay Baz (child molesters) of the Islamic world. If you care to read some history, shout out for some references.
So shove up the Ottoman crap out in your ignorant trap. Islamic Empire is only a little insignificant speck on the face of the earth. Civilizations flourished before it, and will continue to after it. Mecca was a Pagan house of worship once. Muslims just happen to have a procession of it now. Only temporarily I may add.
3000 years from now, no one will know what Islam was or who Muslims were. Everyone will still remember Madhanee Empire.
LOL This has got to be the biggest joke ever. I don’t see any clamour of a return to the caliphate among Muslims, especially among the next generation of Muslims. The next generation of Muslims rather discuss MTV, Snoop Dogg, and how big Britney’s breasts are than discuss a return to the caliphate. So hence the caliphate is dead and inshallah always will be.
There was no Islamic 'empire'. The roman empire ruled from rome, the british empire ruled from britian the Islamic state spread and the 'conquered' became rulers.
Paper Money in will represent the amount of money (wealth/asset value) in the treasury. Correct. Problem here is how do you define the value of gold? Do you have any idea of the Bretton Wood system or why it was finally discarded? Stating political rhetoric with no base but as propagand material really does not help discussions or any change in general societies. I would suggest reading a good book of economics or Foreign exchange management.
Just paying off debt? That is just sad, cause you do have a fair bit of knowledge on economics and Islam, but such excuses are either deliberate or with all due respect, simply ignorant. Anybody who knows how international or domestic debt markets function will be able to tell you that your statement is baseless and more of an excuse to wriggle out of your initial comment.
Well the fact that there was a period called the Uthmani Khilafah and that they, not being arabs, ruled should prove this. Did India rule the british empire?
Do you see demonstrations on the streets of the Muslim world calling for a return to the caliphate? In Lebanon people want democracy. Same in Egypt. Same in Syria. Even Saudi Arabia is moving toward elections. In Iraq they have democracy now, thankfully. Everywhere in the Arab world you hear of democracy activists not caliphate activitists. The only place you hear of caliphate activists are on the internet, and those opinions do not count.
It remained a Mosque between 15th and the 20th century (until 1935). Go friggin figure and ask youself why shouldnt Babri Mosque be what it used to be before it was a mosque.