Islam, War, Militant groups .. some quetions

I want to increase my knowledge of this topic.

  1. what is Islam’s guidance on War, I look back to the conquest of makkah and the guidance given by the prophet, not to hurt innocent ppl, women, children, old people, anyone who lays doown his arms, not to hurt any trees (or properties I believe)

  2. What is the ruling on guerilla warfare

  3. what is the ruling on guerilal warfare where innocent people can be hurt or die and their property can be damaged.

In my opinion the groups calling themselves “islamic” groups, go against the basic ruling of Islam about not hurting innocent ppl. If so, how islamic are these groups to begin with.

Your perspectives and knowledge would be appreciated.

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depends, who are actual "islamic" groups, and who aren't.

And whoz reporting about them to you.

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1400 years ago wars were mostly fought only by armed men in battle fields out side of towns in the wide open spaces, unless there was siege of town involved. hence the rules of engagement were straight forward, today's technologies bring about what is called collateral damage, you don't go to war the war comes to you!

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so 1400 year old rules do not apply anymore?
what else dont they apply to

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^^

The concept of Jihad in Islam is reciprocal...Do unto the enemy as the enemy has done unto you...

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Assalam O Aalaikom brother, how are you?

First of all, I would like to say we can only fight in a self defence. Technically, it is prohibited to kill innocent people, old people, women and children in a war. Killing intentionally and killing by accident are totally different. In fact, killing intentionally is the greatest sin ever. I do not know if few Islamic groups are attacking innocent people intentionally. If they do, they are doing the greatest sin. Brother, I am pleased amongst you for putting the greatest questions. Regardless, this discussion could last forever.

Take Care,
Allah Hafiz!

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IMO this is the be all end all on islamic warfare. I am quoting an excerpt but do go through the entire fatwa by Shaykh Muhammad Afifi al-Akiti. Bookmark it, spread it around.

"To put it plainly, there is simply no legal precedent in the history of Sunni Islam for the tactic of attacking civilians and overtly non-military targets. Yet the awful reality today is that a minority of Sunni Muslims, whether in Iraq or Beslan or elsewhere, have perpetrated such acts in the name of jihâd and on behalf of the Umma. Perhaps the first such mission to break this long and admirable precedent was the Hamas bombing on a public bus in Jerusalem in 1994 - not that long ago. (Reflect on this!)

Immediately after the incident, the almost unanimous response of the orthodox Shâfi’î jurists from the Far East and the Hadramawt was not only to make clear that the minimum legal position from our Sacred Law is untenable for persons who carry out such acts, but also to warn the Umma that by going down that path we would be compromising the optimum way of Ihsân and that we would thereby be running a real risk of losing the moral and religious high ground. Those who still defend this tactic, invoking blindly a nebulous usûlî principle that it is justifiable out of darûra while ignoring the far’î strictures, must look long and hard at what they are doing and ask the question: was it absolutely necessary, and if so, why was this not done before 1994, and especially during the earlier wars, most of all during the disasters of 1948 and 1967?

How could such a tactic be condoned by one of our Rightly Guided Caliphs and a heroic fighter such as 'Alî (may Allâh ennoble his face!), who when in the Battle of the Trench his notorious non-Muslim opponent, who was seconds away from being killed by him, spat on his noble face, immediately left him alone. When asked later his reasons for withdrawing when Allâh clearly gave him power over him, he answered: “I was fighting for the sake of God, and when he spat in my face I feared that if I killed him it would have been out of revenge and spite!” Far from being an act of cowardice, this characterizes Muslim chivalry: fighting, yet not out of anger.

In actual fact, the only precedent for this tactic from Muslim history is the cowardly terrorism carried out by the “Assassins” of the Nizari Isma’îlîs. Their most famous victim from a suicide mission was the wise minister and the Defender of the Faith, who could have been alive to deal with the fitna of the Crusades: Nizâm al-Mulk, the Jamâl al-Shuhadâ’ (may Allâh encompass him with His mercy!), assasinated on Thursday, the 10th of the holy month of Ramadan 485/14 October 1092.

Ironically, in the case of Palestine, the precedent was set not by Muslims but by early Zionist terrorist gangs such as the Irgun, who, for example, infamously bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22nd July 1946. So ask yourself as an upright and God-fearing believer, whose every organ will be interrogated: do you really want to follow the footsteps and the models of those Zionists and the heterodox Isma’îlîs, instead of the path taken by our Beloved (may Allâh’s blessings and peace be upon him!), who for almost half of the (twenty-three) years of his mission endured Meccan persecution, humiliation and insults? Is anger your only strength? If so, remember the Prophetic advice that it is from the Devil. And is darûra your only excuse for following them instead into their condemned lizard-holes? Do you think that any of our famous mujâhids from history, such as 'Ali, Salâh al-Dîn, and Muhammad al-Fâtih (may Allâh be well pleased with them all!) will ever condone the article you quoted and these acts today in Baghdad, Jerusalem, Cairo, Bali, Casablanca, Beslan, Madrid, London and New York, some of them committed on days when it is traditionally forbidden by our Law to fight: Dhû l-Qa’da and al-Hijja, Muharram and Rajab? Every person of fitra will see that this is nothing other than a sunna of perversion."

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Just a word of advice, you shouldn't ask this type of stuff publicly. Also, people with knowledge of these matters will not answer these questions publicly.
I hope you know what I mean.

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why should questions and answers not be public? I mean as muslims we have nothing to hide. I am just confused as to how these groups can have the kalma written n their headbands and holding qurans up in their rallies, yet their actions are counter to what has been preached by the prophet (peace be upon him)

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Thank you for an informative post, I will try to read up more on this. Shukran

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I dont think that is accurate, atleast does not align itself with the prophets words that I referred to.

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**Surah Baqarah

  1. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.

  2. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [1] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[2] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

  3. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

**36. Verily, the number of months with Allâh is twelve months (in a year), so was it ordained by Allâh on the Day when He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are Sacred (i.e. the 1st, the 7th, the 11th and the 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). That is the right religion, so wrong not yourselves therein, and fight against the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) collectively[2] as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allâh is with those who are Al-Muttaqûn.

I understand, any resistance from the Muslims about anything nowadays can be turned into a terrorist act…It makes us feel shameful and wish many things like, I wish Quran never said such a thing, I wish I’d rather die than be labelled as terrorist or my death should be so innocent that people will know Muslims would prefer to be dead than be called terrorists or why do Muslims have to fight, why can’t they just die and be bombed in peace and silence…

These sentiments don’t change anything for the Mujahideen who fight as Muslims and who believe it is their duty as Muslims to fight and die for the sake of innocents…

So, really, it is all about prophecies coming true…It will become next to impossible to support, become or claim Muslim resistance anywhere…

As the Holy Prophet :saw: stated, “There will be more of you than the grains of sand, but there will be no Imaan in the hearts…”

No Imaan = No will to resist…No will to resist = Weak constitution…Weak constitution = Believe anything fed to us following the easiest way out…

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Lajjo so in your view Allah is telling us in Quraan that muslims can go and kill innocent people? I have always been taught that as muslims in a war we can only fight agsinst those who are fighting, and no one else.

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Brother, as I said above, Muslims are prohibited to kill innocent people intentionally and you are right.

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Can mushriks be considered innocent?

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well the propet considered all the idol worshippers who were not fighting as innocent, all the women and children and the old and inform as innocent, and anyone who laid down his weapon as innocent, and anyone who took refuge at certain places as innocent.

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And what to do when they kill innocents for the sake of Jihad?

Long back I had read a statement by Al Quaeda leader that....

People in (anti)-Islam states are tax payers and hence, they become a party to the armed forces.

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Was the Prophet fighting a democratic nation?

One of the reasons why the prophet called them innocent was that, an average person had absolutely no say in the running of the state. Can that be said of today?

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Muslims have become westernized:
Presdential candidate Goldwater in his speech in the Repulican Convention once said:
"Extremism in the pursuite of Liberty is no Vice"

He got a big Applause!!!

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I think you are referring to Fatha Makkah, and what people fail to mention is that Muhammad salAllahualaihiwasallam drew up a list of 9 people to be executed before entering Makkah. The instructions were to execute them even if they were clinging to the Kaabah. Eventually some of those people were given amnesty but not all. Someone else can correct me if I am wrong, I think Ikrimah bin Abi Jahl radiAllahuanhu was also on the list and was eventually given amnesty.