Has Islam failed in the face of Taliban…or taliban is nothing but general Islam?
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
How is Taleban NOT Islam?
Many people on this forum support the Taliban ideology; but not literally. Just because Taliban punish adultery with 100 lashes without a judicatory or proper legal representation DOES not mean it is ok even if if a judicatory is in place. -----Its still Islam.
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
In my personal belief Taliban are as Islamic as khawrijis were in the time of Caliphate.
Extremely devoted to Quran and Sunnah **as they **understand it to be, quick to pronounce others as disbelievers and quite willing to shed blood of fellow Muslims (deemed non-muslims by them).
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
Taliban ideology has nothing unislamic about it.
Whats unislamic, is the Taliban image in the west. First it was communism, now its Taliban, next it'll be muslims in general.
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
Sharia law/Taliban law had its time and place and had admirable values for its time.
It would now be barbaric and foolish to implement it or even tolerate it.
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Re: Islam vs Taliban....
I think we're only seeing a magnification of tribal law, and passing it off in every news source as talibanistic law.
Do honour killings become a part of Islamic law, because it is common in Karachi or Lahore?
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^ you contradict yourself. You call what you dont want to defend "tribal law" but have the nerve to make blanket statements like "taleban ideology has nothing unislamic about it". how about allowing, condoning, and defending what you call "tribal laws"?
do you think bombing a hospital is unislamic Crescent?
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
How Taliban are making for their living? or someone feeding them?
^ you contradict yourself. You call what you dont want to defend "tribal law" but have the nerve to make blanket statements like "taleban ideology has nothing unislamic about it". how about allowing, condoning, and defending what you call "tribal laws"?
do you think bombing a hospital is unislamic Crescent?
You fail to comprehend behind a wall of bias what I am trying to say. Talibanistic movement, the student's movement, in its creed has nothing unislamic about it.
I will answer you with a question, ironically, you'll understand better when asked a question, than to give you a simple yes or no answer.
Do you think muslims are terrorists, because the Quran promotes jihad?
Talibanistic movement, the student's movement, in its creed has nothing unislamic about it.
And what if this movement condones, conducts, accepts and defends what you describe as 'a magnification of tribal laws'? Was the distinction of 'tribal laws' incidental, do you feel there is something unislamic about 'tribal laws'? If so, is there something unislamic in the movement in its perpetuation, acceptance and defence of it?
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I will answer you with a question, ironically, you'll understand better when asked a question, than to give you a simple yes or no answer.
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I will answer your question. Lets see if you can answer mine. Which i repeat is: do you think it is Islamic to bomb a hospital.
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Do you think muslims are terrorists, because the Quran promotes jihad?
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Terrorism is a strategy of war, whereas jihad is holy war, without a strategy specified, but with humaneness and justice implied by spirit of Islam.
And what if this movement condones, conducts, accepts and defends what you describe as 'a magnification of tribal laws'? Was the distinction of 'tribal laws' incidental, do you feel there is something unislamic about 'tribal laws'? If so, is there something unislamic in the movement in its perpetuation, acceptance and defence of it?
Tribal laws are as irrelevant to Islamic law, as is honour killings in karachi and lahore, as I mentioned before. Sections of Taliban might be corrupt, and there is absolute chance that is the case. But, you cannot attack an ideology, based on people who are affiliated with it.
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I will answer your question. Lets see if you can answer mine. Which i repeat is: do you think it is Islamic to bomb a hospital.
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No, it is not islamic to bomb a hospital.
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Terrorism is a strategy of war, whereas jihad is holy war, without a strategy specified, but with humaneness and justice implied by spirit of Islam.
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Definitions were not the correct answer. I wanted you to understand how sites like www.prophetofdoom.com misinterpret jihad in the quran, to label muslims as terrorists.
Similarly, how Pakistanis are jumping on the bandwagon, of naming every pashtun as an evil terrorist. Propaganda is being spread, and the country is being divided, and Pakistanis are playing a central role.
Re: Islam vs Taliban…
When people attack the Taleban, they attack the taleban as they exist. Not as they exist as an idea.
So would you condomn them for thishospital bombing, which the spokesperson took credit for (not some ‘section’ of the organization, the organization itself), which killed 25 people.
That site is not relevant for me. I have never visited it, dont intend to, and dont form any opinion in my life based on it.
I have never done any such thing. I have pashtun family and friends, and have lived 4 years in NWFP. My opposition for the scum of the earth Taleban is based on my regard for pashtuns, who are the biggest victims of this infestation.
It is convenient to paint your opposition as simpletons, but usually never accurate.
Free thought is not a sazish. Just because there are sites like prophetofdoom doesnt mean you embrace every criminal, every rapist, every murderer, every killer of innocent people on the basis that oh hes my Muslim brother hes fighting the Kuffar. That is the surest way of covering yourself in the most vile rubbish that has the foresight to be rubbish in the name of God.
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
okay no offense to anyone but i have a feeling they r like jood majoods or that unknown army that is supposed to be defeated by Muslims and Christians together.
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^ you mean Gog and MagGog?
Everything Taliban is unIslamic, and if you love them so much, what’s stopping you from moving to Swat and support these heathens you passionately support so much? 
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The issue is quite simple ...
In Ireland there is a group called the IRA when their political wing began to sort things out they had a break away group who called themselves the real IRA who continued causing strife.
A similar problem has occurred with the Taleban. The Taleban has reached critical mass and is not responsible for the actions of all of its claimants. Some areas like in Pakistan the Pakhtun Tribal Tyrrants are using the Taleban name to gain leverage and power. The struggle in Pakistan has always been one of tribe against Pak army and today this has not changed but just changed labels.
Brother Crescent I agree with ...
The tribes chiefs call themselves Taleban for their own reasons and everyone else who is secular agree with their claims as Taleban in order to portray Islam in bad light. The sincere followers of the Taleban ideology either do not exist or subdued by these tyrrants as much as anyone else in that region.
The Taleban was always doomed, because it was a condensation of lay persons who took on elite roles. Scholars and leaders groomed for leadership are required and a supporting body to facilitate the Islamic law were required. Instead people who associated themselves with Taleban were later causing fitnah and crimes with the power they had.
A reporter from the UK came back from Afghanistan to say that people are regularly switching alliances in that region based on who promises more. So you can see straight away it is not an ideology that people join rather a club for power and protection.
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There seem to be various factions, but I don't believe for a minute that people are not taking their orders from a central leader.
The reason I brought the every pashtun is a terrorist argument was because of the lies and propaganda that was spread in karachi that resulted in many innocent pashtuns getting killed.
Where was the public then? Where were the chants of "slay the pigs! and animals!" then?
Where was the public when 12 children died in a US drone attack? Where were the chants then?
To not attempt to answer my question regarding prophetofdoom, or any other anti-islamic website, is an attempt to escape real discussion on this.
There are people who consider ALL muslims to be terrorists, and islamic text to be of evil compilations of how to rule the world violently.
What is the difference between THEM and you? Think about that for a while.
TTP is what claimed attack for the hospital bombing (attesting to the fact that the news report was not bias).
TTP is not part of the Talibanistic Ideology which brought stability to Afghanistan.
Infact, Taliban actually sent parties to mediate within TTP, to bring peace with the Pakistani Army, and focus on the bigger things at play in the area, such as the drone attacks in Afghanistan AND Pakistan. No doubt there are nutjobs within the TTP. Not a hard fact to attest to.
Where is Pakistani sovereignty when over 200 attacks are carried out in its territory? Where is Pakistani sovereignty when over hundreds of FBI offices exist at every level of the government?
This is our Pakistani pride? Seriously?
Pakistani people never blame themselves for their mishaps, they always like to escape goat. Either India, or now Taliban.
Anyone causing mischief, it HAS to be Taliban. WHy? ...Because I am intelligent and I read DAWN newspaper everyday!
Thats not how it works. The world isn't as black and white, we pakistanis overlook the grey areas.
I disgust at the operations of US army worldwide. However, there are so many soldiers and commanders I respect for what they have done in the line of duty.
I disgust at the operations of the Israeli army, but I respect their soldiers for opting out of the previous Gaza for humanitarian sake.
Pakistanis just need dramay baazi, thats all. Until we come out of that phase and take responsibilities in our own hands, we're not getting anywhere in the world.
Before the Taliban came, we blamed RAW and indian spies of our attacks. Civil disruption in the country occurs because of IDIOTS and foreign influences.
There are pakistanis who will destroy hospitals and bomb marketplaces. There are pakistanis who not only flog girls, but kill them in the honour of their families.
There are pakistanis that fire openly in streets, and murder at will.
When did Pakistanis become angels? Why dont we rectify ourselves. Why are we instigating more violence, when we're supposed to have belief in Allah to help us?
When we dont have imaan, we rely on weapons.
Re: Islam vs Taliban....
Killing a human is evil, fullstop.
Be it done by US aircraft, Pakistani army, Taliban, or Al Qaeda.
Be it done on the name of religion, race, nationality, or on the name of God and the holy scriptures.
It remains what it is, EVIL.
Well you dont need to bring that argument up with me. I have been opposed to ethnic hate mongering in Karachi.
The public has been opposed to drone attacks for a while. One major reason for that is that when a drone hits those 12 children, not many come and say look this is all propaganda and theres nothing wrong with their ideology. No shortage of people on the other hand unfortunately emerge every time there is an atrocity by the Taleban and seek to dilute focus from them by pointing here an there.
Its like the kid getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar saying other kids do it too. With due respect, its a childish line of argument to take.
Finally, since the drone attacks started, some 200 people have died on Pakistani soil, according to the latest [http://pakobserver.net/200904/09/news/topstories02.asp"]figure(http://[
Indeed.](. About the same number have died from Taleban bombings last month alone.)