in the link below salman ahmad of pakistani pop band junoon has gone out for a survey to see why mullas are against music?
he even sings quranic verses with guitar. astagfirullah
what does this man wants?
why he is so guilty concious for prove his music an islamic; while there is no doubt that music is HARAM in islam
may allah give hidayat to all of us
the western media do not let go any chance to miss the oppurtunity to show that islam is very difficult to practice and many muslims do not even practice it.
Sir you forgot to quote the following Hadith that apparently opposes your views about the Hurmat of music:
Narrated by Aisha:
"Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Bu’ath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aws, before Islam). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then AbuBakr came and spoke to me harshly, saying, “Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him)?” Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) turned his face towards him and said, “Leave them.” " (Bokhari 2/70)
I hope you did not left it out on purpose. Next time try researching Islam’s scriptural view on musical instruments neutrally rather than only trying to prove the hurmat of music and forcing God and the Prophet to agree to you, deliberately leaving out what you do not like, from the scriptures.
Notes:
The Narration of Bokhari that you mentioned can not be considered Sahi because the chain of narrators does not reach the prophet. Hisham Ibn 'Ammar, a weak narrator also occures in the chain. Kindly come up with a alternate chain if you insist on its authenticity.
The Bokhari narration associates musical instruments to certain other illegal activities before calling them Haraam. Ibne Majah has the following authentic version of this narration:
Abu Malik Al-Ash’ari narrates: “From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.”
The association is clear here, and the illegality of music does not hold true without its accompaniment with drinking wine.
In his book, Al-Ahkam “The Legal Rulings”, Al-Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-'Arabi says, “None of the Hadiths maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic.” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn An-Nahwi in Al-'Umdah (The Reliance of the Traveler). Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these Hadiths was proved to be authentic.” Ibn Hazm says, “All the Hadiths narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”
mad_scientist- i have had this question for ages, but anyhow, what is "shaykh" yusuf's qualification? Who really made him shaykh and who considers him one? I have seen no scholars speak good of him simply because of his weaknesses in primary areas of islamic fiqh. He declares ahadith to be weak without reason on many occasions.
I did see that documentary with Salman. Truth comes out of the mouth, in it he admits "mai gunegar admi hoon". That in itself proves almost like he knows what he does is wrong or atleast partially wrong. Sometimes I wonder why muslims go into such deep discussions, as though the solid proof, one way or another will influence them anyway. Regarding music, halal meat, or many other areas, these days muslims tend to do what they feel is right, not necessarily what is right. We all do wrong, but I think repentance is important. Allah forgives. But to do wrong and not even acknowledge it or even ask for forgiveness is a graver sin I feel and very cheap. At least have courage to admit wrongdoing. Even Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) use to ask for forgiveness even though he did nothing wrong.
I did not like how Salman was singing quranic versus with music, it did not seem right. I was however impressed with the way he was trying to seek knowledge, and was visiting the mosques and religious scholars about the music issue. Most muslims these days dont even want to look at a maulvi which is sickening and here we are trying to unite. Allah is indeed very forgiving, acknowledging/repentence of wrongdoing will add to our credit. The way Salman was trying to bridge the gap is something we should take note of. His intentions are to build a stronger link to islam. These things in the past have proven to be stepping stones for some of our most devoted muslims in history. Any other music dude would probably not give a crap what any maulvi says, forget visiting them or even sitting with them.
i don't think the real problem here is that music is haraam or not.. it's the attitude that since I the Mullah have arrived at a conclusion that music is haraaam everyone else who doesn't even share my views should be forced to quit it...
and it gets juicier when I the Mullah lives in 'western' countries and civilizations and possibly can't shut out all music from his life..
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and it gets juicier when I the Mullah lives in 'western' countries and civilizations and possibly can't shut out all music from his life..
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There is a difference between listening to music and hearing it, the latter is not I the Mullah's fault...
Ahadeeth show that music is usually forbidden except at celebrations such as the two Eid and weddings it is allowed, some say it is even preferable at celebrations and as far as I know all our four Imams of Islamic Jurisprudence were of this view.
I think it is disgusting that Salman is using something that God (Ta’ala) and His Messenger (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) have forbidden and that too in worship.
May Allah guide him or may His la’nah be upon Salman and his likes, ameen.
May Allah guide him or may His la’nah be upon Salman and his likes, ameen.
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I dont think you saw the documentary. The same person you are sending la'nah to was visiting mosques, sitting with scholarly people, joking with madrassa students, trying to get a better understanding. He was seeking knowledge. He was even admitting his faults at times. How many muslims even do that these days? The dude your sending bad-dua to could tommorow end up being a more devoted muslim than yourself.
Yaar if his intentions are noble then may Allah make him a better Muslim and bless him but if he's taking it as a joke then he deserves la'nah...
I mean after Rasool Allah (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) has dispparoved of music any serious Muslim would crap his pants at the mere thought of singing Qur'aan with music...
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Salamun Alaykum,
Ahadeeth show that music is usually forbidden except at celebrations such as the two Eid and weddings it is allowed, some say it is even preferable at celebrations and as far as I know all our four Imams of Islamic Jurisprudence were of this view.
I think it is disgusting that Salman is using something that God (Ta’ala) and His Messenger (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) have forbidden and that too in worship.
May Allah guide him or may His la’nah be upon Salman and his likes, ameen.
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Don't you get it.Salman is a wanna be SUFI. Welcome to the teachings
of a new innovator. And you know what people will follow it.
I mean after Rasool Allah (sallallaho alayhe wassallam) has dispparoved of music any serious Muslim would crap his pants at the mere thought of singing Qur'aan with music...
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Ok can u plz give the reference to the hadees u r refering to here, cuz I don't necessarily remeber music being haram. I think what is haram here is praising ne thing but Allah, which is what is in a lot of music now days, adn maybe makes that specific music haram. but if ur not doing that, all ur doing is humming what u would normally say, and making it sound soothing to the ears and making it rhyme. And correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think there is ne thing wrong in singing the Quran, bc it helps u enjoy it even more, and u read it with even more passion, and I don't have the reference to this, but I know for a fact that it says in the Quran to read the Quran like it is something sweet, not like it is a bitter medicene. I mean the whole Quran is written in a poetry format, bc at that time poetry really got to people, and many famous duwas r in the form of poetry and mentioned in the tafsir of Quran. now if ur just simply humming that poetry and making it sound more powerful, what is wrong with that? now music with a wrong message could be haraam, but thats cuz the message itself is haraam, and would be haraam even if it was just spoken and not sung. a music with a good message or no message at all, is not haraam if it is spoken, so why should it be haraam if it is sung? If however there is something in the Quran or sunaah that specifically says humming in nice tones is haram itself, plz disregard my statemet AFTER YOU HAVE POSTED THE REFERENCE FOR UR QUOTE!!!
hmmm very interesting and very informative. I think though the main message here is not just about music though, it's the fact that ne thing which is taking ur prayer time away for no useful or positive reason shouldn't be allowed. this includes things as small as playing video games and sitting on gupshup cafe all day. maybe not the religion sections and stuff, cuz ur learning from it. even watching movies would than be haram. alot would go into this, even unnecessary shopping at the mall. and talking on msn and phone for long hours about nothing useful. if i am wrong with this interpretation plz correct me. however it was very iteresting learning that men can't sing even amongst themselves because it is a waste of valuable time and even clapping is considered gay like among them. I have many cousins who sing, but don't let their sisters sing in public cuz it's haram. well it's fine that their sisters don't sing, but I wonder how such knowledgable people wouldn't know about the men part of it, or maybe they just didnt follow it!