Re: Islam: regard men and women as equal?
Yes, I've heard arguments on this verse before by Muslims. Can someone post it along with its interpretations? It's suppose to be hitting as a last resort, and to be done lightly, I think.
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Of course men and women are not equal. Women are far superior.
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Assalam O Aalaikom,
How are you? Women are not superior.
Take Care,
Allah Hafiz!
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Um, yes we are.
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Sorry, the topic is if Islam regard man and woman as equal, but as usual you have decided to compare Islam with other religions.
Islam permits a man to marry four women or allows the male owner to sleep with ‘what his right hand possesses’.
Islam is silent if the *male owner is bound to seek permission * from his ‘what his right hand possesses’ for taking this **slave-lady ** to bed.
And so is the divorce process different for both. (Pls correct me, if I am wrong).
The quality of ‘beating’ is interesting as your teacher has told you.
Where the quality of beating is explained in the original Quran?
In ** Hindu religious text books ** there are thousands of discriminatory verses against women, but Hindus are not bound to move around all kind of foolishness of Hindu religion…
*///* Above statement is very significant and informative. Can you please quote the verses from ** Quran ** in support of this statement?
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Superior in what? Women are not superior to men. What is the point of arguing more?
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^ Actually, there is a verse that assigns the duty of providing for the family to the husband. Therefore, it takes a tad bit of logic to understand that the wife is not responsible for financial support of the family. Since there is no prohibition on a woman having a career, any money she makes after marriage, before marriage, or inherits or is gifted to her belongs to her. I believe there is some extrapolation of this information in the verses that discuss inheritance and ownership of property as well.
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Yeah...ok. Whatever makes you feel secure about your so-called manhood.
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Got Proof?
From perhaps the Quran or Sunnah?
oh wait, lets not even go there yet. Realistically speaking any proof?
No?
thank you. Come again.
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men and women are equal in the eyes of God when it comes to judgement.there is no question about it
as for physical and emotional makeup , they both have different characteristics hence they have different roles which islam has identified so they have different duties to perform.
so if one understands this basic concept one realizes that their is no need to judge roles of men and women on the basis of equality since they r different
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By the way Sherafghan is helped this topic with a Link, thats post #2.
Please look do read that. Makes this thread a better one.
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From the site,
*“Allaah says ‘*Men are the protectors and maintainers of women’ meaning that the man is in charge of the woman, i.e., he is the leader and head of the household, the one who disciplines her if she goes astray.
because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other’ i.e., because men are superior to women and are better than women. Hence Prophethood was given only to men, as was the position of khaleefah, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘No people shall ever prosper who appoint a woman as their ruler.’ This was narrated by al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Abi Bakrah from his father. The same applies to the position of qaadi (judge), etc.
**
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Anjjan, I am not comparing Islam to any specific religions - it is merely a statement plus is often the only way to explain to those who are nonMuslims in my experience. Furthermore, as far as my view is concerened there is a difference between the teachings of the Qur’an and Hindu textbooks. However, you may find the following links useful to read. The links I’m providing have explanations from renowned Islamic scholars who explain very clearly the topics you would like more information about. Unfortunately, I am unable to provide exact Qur’an statements for all the below as I am working on a full time basis and contributing to the site is just a hobby. If anyone else is able to or has enough time to, then I would really appreciate it if you can provide the required information to anjjan.
1a. Women’s status + Slavery - http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=60605&d=19&m=3&y=2005
1b. Excerpt taken from http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=15221&d=16&m=5&y=2002 - Because it is in the nature of men to be dictatorial in their treatment of their wives, the Prophet urged men repeatedly to be kind to their wives and to treat them well. He repeatedly said: “Take good care of women.” He also stated that men and women stand on the same level: “Women are but the full sisters of men.”
Justice is an important Islamic principle that covers all life affairs. Making it the cornerstone of the relationship between man and woman is central to the Islamic outlook. Hence, we do not need to have it stated as a recommendation in the conference document or anywhere else. What we need is to implement Islamic values and principles.
In many areas of the world, women do not enjoy an equal or similar position to men, whether socially, politically or economically. Hence, the conference document called for the consolidation of women’s status in society. This phrase was subject to much criticism and raised many objections before the start of the conference.
The fact is that women’s position in Islamic law does not need any consolidation. What is needed is that men’s treatment of women should be corrected so as to be brought in line with Islamic directives and with the provisions of Islamic law. The Qur’an states very clearly that women’s position is exactly the same as men’s position, and that this equality in matters of religion is the same as equality in worldly matters: “Whoever does righteous deeds, whether man or woman, and is a believer, We shall most certainly give a good life. And We shall indeed reward these according to the best of their actions.” (16: 97)
2. Whom Do We Possess - http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=77561&d=10&m=2&y=2006
3. Husband’s claim to wife’s salary - http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=61939&d=19&m=4&y=2005
**4. Does Islam consider women to be inferior to men? **http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=61940&d=19&m=4&y=2005
The Qur’an includes an express reference to the equality of man and woman, as God states: “Mankind, fear your Lord, who has created you from a single soul, and from it created its mate, and from the two of them spread abroad so many men and women.” (4:1)
5. Marrying four wives - http://www.arabnews.com/?page=5§ion=0&article=57180&d=13&m=1&y=2005
6. Divorce - http://www.arabnews.com/search/search.asp - many explanations on divorce here
I hope these answer your specific questions.
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SuperMe and others - you might find this link interesting to read regarding the equality of women and beating - BELOW EXCERPTS FROM -
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:32XK3l2PSjgJ:www.mwlusa.org/publications/essays/abuseverse.htm+Qur%E2%80%99an+4:34&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=9
The Qur’an does not order women to slavishly obey their husbands. It says good women are qanitat (have qunut). Qunut is used for both women and men (3:17, 33:35) and non- humans (39:9, 2:117). Qunut does not refer to the obedience of a wife to a husband or of any human to another. It refers to the spirit of humility before Allah. When the verse goes on to say “if they obey you,” the Qur’an uses the term ta’a, which means for one human to follow the orders of another, referring not just to women obeying men, but men following orders as well (4:59). Ta’a is not used here in the command form for women, rather the Qur’an places a firm admonishment on the men: “If they (female) pay you heed (male)” the males commanded “not to seek a way against (the women)”. “If they obey you” does not mean that women have an obligation to slavishly obey men. Nor does it mean that if a woman disobeys, a husband can beat her. The focus is on the responsibility of men to treat women fairly, especially when women follow their suggestions.
**Most of the women beaten nowadays are not beaten because the first two conditions have been met with, but are in fact beaten because of the husband’s anger over some petty issue. Such behavior is not that of a sincere Muslim and obviously has no sanction in the Qur’an whatsoever. **
**It is evident from many authentic traditions that the Prophet himself intensely detested the idea of beating one’s wife, and said on more than one occasion, “Could anyone of you beat his wife as if she is a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?” **(Bukhari and Muslim). According to another tradition, he forbade the beating of any woman with the words, “Never beat God’s handmaidens” (Abu Daud, Ibn Majah, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, Ibn Hibban, on the authority of ‘Abd Allah Ibn Abbas; and Bayhaqi on the authority of Umm Kulthum).
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The Qur’an does not discriminate between the two sexes in any way that undermines their full worth as equal human beings, nor does it give either of them; men or women, priority or superiority over the other in any manner whatsoever, neither does in endorse spouse abuse nor does it encourage spouse battering. Just as men have rights over women, likewise women have rights over men. Just as women have certain duties and obligations, likewise men have certain duties and obligations.
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dear **schine **
Are the versions and interpretations of verses and silent features of Quran by the renowned scholars not mere eyewash?
If not, I think that the majority of Muslims damn care for these scholars because we find entirely different attitude of Muslim men towards women in all matters re marry four women, divorce, education or in other matters.
You may not like it but such versions of these scholars cannot convince me. Moreover, I am of stunt opinion that the word of God should not depend on the definitions and interpretations….but that is another matter.
You are usually busy with work load, so I don’t expect you to provide more proofs.
Have a nice day!
Ps, If you have time, pls read Hindu’ religious book Gita…..a fare translation is enough. You do not need interpretations and definitions. Apply your own wisdom and that will be Okei!
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Hi Anjan my friend,
How are you? I have couple questions regarding views of women in Hinduism. I am asking as in your opinion. Should wives be burned after their husbands die? Why should women fast for men? That’s all for now. Please take your time to think those questions and answer them here. There is no rush at all. I would be very appreciated.
Please ask questions based on anything about Islam and I will attempt my best to clear with it. You are welcome to ask any question that comes in your mind here. Please do ask.
Take Care,
Bye!
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dear anjjan,
I’m sorry you feel Holy texts should not need any interpretation - that’s your opinion. I provided proof as I see it according to my views - if you are not convinced then that is certainly not my problem. I would only read texts on Hnduism if I was interested in the religion to comment on it. Since I am not interested to pass any comments or to find out more than I know, I do not see the need to study the religion.
Thanks.
Have a nice day too.
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How are you? I have couple questions regarding views of women in Hinduism. I am asking as in your opinion. Should wives be burned after their husbands die? Why should women fast for men? That's all for now. Please take your time to think those questions and answer them here. There is no rush at all. I would be very appreciated.
Please ask questions based on anything about Islam and I will attempt my best to clear with it. You are welcome to ask any question that comes in your mind here. Please do ask.
Take Care, Bye!
Asslam-U-Alikum brother
I don't think there's any point of arguing with him or try to convince him because we believe Allah knows who is on the right path. Plus Allah says in Quran regarding these ignorant people (in terms of seeking and believing the truth):
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Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (Surah Baqra, 18)
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Anjun, you start stuff and then you run away when it comes to you. If you really want argue and debate then stick till the end. You started the thread "Terrorism a disease in religion" but when i asked you questions, you weren't there to answer. I'm sure you'll do teh same here!
I've simple logical questions to ask you regarding your comment on Quranic interpertation from Muslim scholars. Why do we go to school and learn from teachers, even though we've books, examples are solved and everything? We can sit home, read books and learn from it, can't we? If yes then why do we need teachers and spend so much money on our education? Let's assume that someone says that's because we don't understand everything and can't do everything on our own, we need guidence and help from someone.** If this is the case then, how come we need assistence and help from other people, who know more about certain things (e.g. teachers), regarding these books and knowledge, written and introduced by humans, but we don't need help to understand the Holy Book, Quran, written by Allah?**
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Anjun, you start stuff and then you run away when it comes to you. If you really want argue and debate then stick till the end. You started the thread "Terrorism a disease in religion" but when i asked you questions, you weren't there to answer. I'm sure you'll do teh same here!
I've simple logical questions to ask you regarding your comment on Quranic interpertation from Muslim scholars. Why do we go to school and learn from teachers, even though we've books, examples are solved and everything? We can sit home, read books and learn from it, can't we? If yes then why do we need teachers and spend so much money on our education? Let's assume that someone says that's because we don't understand everything and can't do everything on our own, we need guidence and help from someone.** If this is the case then, how come we need assistence and help from other people, who know more about certain things (e.g. teachers), regarding these books and knowledge, written and introduced by humans, but we don't need help to understand the Holy Book, Quran, written by Allah?**
Very well said indeed. Couldn't have put it any better myself.
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Jazak Allah khair brother, mashAllah you're not lacking behind either. I've read your posts and mashallah they're awseom. Well, i don't find anajan anymore here, where did he go :BiB: