Re: ISLAM MADE EASY
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SlaveofAllaah you have indeed posted an interesting translation of ayat ... 4:116
It clearly states that shirk will not be forgiven. However, perhaps the other part of the ayat needs to be read more carefully ...
"but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this"
Does this mean:
a) All other sins will be forgiven?
b) All other sins will mostly be forgiven?
c) All other sins will only be forgiven if Allah (SWT) chooses to do so?
Agreed no denial of it.
This is the consideration all of us need to have at the topical level.
Now let's probe this subject a bit more:
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SlaveofAllaah you have included in your post the hadith that a Muslim will enter paradise even if he commits adultery and theft ...
Consider the two crimes ...
adultery is a consenting act between two people one or both of whom are married to someone else.
Theft may or may not be done for reasons of greed but can be done so for necessity.
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Clearly stated that Tawheed is most important, in this hadith
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Though these are over simplified definitions ... we can begin to see the dynamics at the legal level already. Aside to this ... there are further considerations, which include repentance of the acts, whether the Muslim has done the act on a one off basis or is persistent in that crime.
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Agreed.
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For example even shirk is forgiven upon repentance.
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Best repentance a person can ever do in his/her lifetime.
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This must mean that if adultery and theft are committed and the penance has not been made in this world by the penal system then these would have to be paid for in the hereafter, provided the person has not sought forgiveness or forgiveness has not been given.
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Yes a good reason.
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These can be paid for in a number of ways ... our goods deeds can cancel our bad ones, or vice-versa. Others bad deeds towards us can cancel our bad deeds also. The difference is two fold: Subject to the Mercy of Allah or the value of sin that is causing the imbalance.
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Exactly, bottom line is Allaah knows the best.
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Allah (SWT) in His Wisdom may choose not to forgive, knowing the person not to be sincere and allows the person to contniue in his deception. The person would think he is entering a loop-hole, but we know Allah (AWJ) never leaves loop holes.
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Yes i do agree, already mentioned I am not denying the Quran in the first post but mainly concentrated on the part of tawheed.
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The kalimah therefore would not be enough especially merely reciting the kalimah.
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But dont forget that Prophet fought hard 13 years for the kalima. You can still be a good person,w ithout being in the fold of Islam but Paradise may not granted to you according to the Quran other than that Allaah knows the best. Take the eg. of Abu Talib, so which do you consider for the hereafter Shahada or performing good deeds without accepting one God. This is my opinion about how important Shahada is for mankind in this world.
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Let me not dwell into this topic more.
The dangers of the kalimah approach ....
Well this is obvious ... the kalimah alone does not bring us into Islam. We need to understand it and manifest it in our lives. What do we do whilst neighbours go to sleep on an empty stomach? What does the hadith say about the Islam of a person who lets this happen?
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Very much against the Quranic verse, infact there is hadith behind the verse when a Bedouin asks Prophet am i a believer, coz i have read the shahada. Allaah reveals that saying the kalima is only entrance into Islam that is he is a Muslim, but not a believer as still belief is not entered the heart.
I agree with rest of your topic and I have debated wrt that, as I support but here I am talking wrt to muslim and a non-muslim. According to Quran, i agree Islam as a religion covers each and every part but we should not forget before that we have to believe in ONe God.
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The short end is that we cannot deceive Allah (SWT) ... at best we deceive ourselves. Saying the Kalimah and do what we wish brings us into the fold of those Jews who claimed the right of 'God's Chosen' without being good. Or those Christians who claimed 'the law was abolished' but having faith is enough.
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I told you already Allaah knows the best, and I have already mentioned if you read my post 2 in this thread Allaah is the one who Grants paradise no denial of it. So what if christians rejected faith, they did not reject faith but rejected Allaah.
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There is also the level of reward for those who are excedingly good. Do we not want to compete for the best place in Jannah? Also, there is the fear of being even in Hellfire for a moment, but do we really fear it? Heck ... the shortest time in hellfire is a very long time to our standards. We can't even take the pains of this world.
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Infact if we have to talk about this topic you and I know many of them wont even be questioned during the Judgement day and will be directly permitted to paradise, though they have committed sins Allaah wont question about this because they have been good servants to Allaah, does that mean only doing good is enought or believing Allaah and doing good is much more better for reference read post 1 of mine.
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So who are we kidding? ... Ourselves.
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Well, out of context seems more like exercising brains brother rather to understand that Tawheed is the most important.
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The fact that a Muslim will eventually enter paradise is the reflection of the Justice of Allah (SWT), but this hadith is not a basket that we should put all our eggs in, or we will be closer and closer to falling over the edge. If a Muslim practices evil and does sins, Allah (SWT) may eventually leave him in that direction and even if he makes a claim to be good or repent in later life, who says that Allah (SWT) will give him that opportunity? The heart of the sinner becomes harder so he may even forget his initial thoughts and also he may die in an accident or naturally for no apparent reason. Where will we be then? Always protect yourself, be good and God-Fearing ... JazakAllah Khair for the thread
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Already mentioned Allaah knows the best, infact most of the muslims are oblivious and straight forward say that we all go to paradise which I am against it, what I am trying to say is the Tawheed might save you.
Well, i just remember other hadith, Prophet says a person will do so good in his life that he is a step away from Paradise but commits a blemish and enters hell vice a versa for other case.
Now let me end by if you read my second post i have mentioned clearly that Best of believers are the best of people in conduct. Now this incluces everything, in other hadith it says in modesty, in behaviour. Other thing brother I agree with oyou compleltely once we are God fearing, we tend to be good in everything.
Last all the truth is from Allaah and Prophet and false is from satan and me. Correct me if I am wrong, but remember let it be a topic in which knowledge is shared rather then a debate.
Jazak Allaah khair for your post.