Too many ppl, while talking about Islam give the impression that Allah swt created Islam only for Him self, hence there’s no need for others to understand anything, so you just follow whatever is claimed to be His words by miniature gods running amok. Why is active understanding of Islam so strongly discouraged by so many ppl? And how do they justify them selves preaching same religion? Why is it so widely accepted that ppl’s emotions and feeling are sidelined and insulted while preaching what is supposed to be religion of peace? And why is the entire concept of learning religion based on threats and violence, rather than respect and love for God?
Allah Swt created mankind so that we may worship Him. That is the eternal truth. Why is it so difficult to believe that. When you go out and preach, you are actually doing a favour on them and on yourself. Allah SWT does not need us or our prayers. To bring the people back to the Path of Truth, after they have transgressed, you call that hurting someones feelings?
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And why is the entire concept of learning religion based on threats and violence, rather than respect and love for God?
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Threats and violence, what are you talking about over here? Who threatened who? Its a shame, that Muslims nowadays look up on their religion with with regret and disgrace. Its a shame that the act of Dawah, the most honoured form of activity ever, is being looked upon with disgrace. All this at a time when we are the laughing stock of the World. The non muslims have been successful in brain washing us.
We take the words of any random dictionary into confidence, yet discard the works of our Imams and scholars, saying they have been changed. We are basically loosing our culture and our true identity.
Respect and Love for God? Who respects and loves God in this World? America is no longer a Christain country. America has lost its Christain values. Or is UK a God loving country, where they portrayed Mary and Joseph as the Beckhams.
Yeah God is having diarrhea runs after seeing Beckhams as Mary and Jesus. Stupid Mullas have reduced Allah to a Punjabi filmi Hero who is going around fighting for his ‘honor’. It’s only Pakis who make it so complicated. Can’t even provide clean drinking water to its people, but want to go inside God’s nookie 24/7.
Death to Mullahs!
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ANS, chaand pehle samajh tau lete ke maiN ne kya kaha. Here, let me explain. When you tell your kids to pray, you tell them what? Namaz paRho warna jahanum ki aag meiN jalna paRe ga. Now kids understand fire and pain, and this unfortunately sticks with majority till they die. Hence they'll never understand why Allah wanted us to pray. He could throw something else funny is jahanum to keep it on fire too hence there must be a deeper meaning behind the concept of prayers, correct? Same education style is implied on all other areas as well, that is called threatening by those teaching us. When we start discussing Islam, take any thread in this forum or even in gen and see how ppl are reacting, in the very first post in reply to something even slightly borderline material, you'll see personal insults flying around. And my question is what is your goal with your words? Are you just typing to be read or do you have a higher goal such as making the other person realize that he/she is not totally correct? There is no question about whether or not Islam is the religion in my post.
"The non Muslims have been successful in brain washing us."
This is way too cheap and the easiest way out. Why do you think anyone has been successful in brainwashing us? Maybe we haven't done our homework properly? Look at our history and see what we're doing now, that is no one else's fault, we can thank our selves for this, and the concept of modern Muslim is very new, so you can't throw all the blame on them either. Instead of wasting so much time finding ppl to blame, take a look at your self. (You as in third person)
I hope you understand that there is a little difference between a regular dictionary and Quran, a cow in any dictionary is a cow, while each and every word in Quran should be carefully understood and lived by, if that is what you want. And this understanding is my issue. Why excatly do we need to worry about US or UK and their love for God? Why is it so difficult to stick and focus on our own?
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Allah Swt created mankind so that we may worship Him. That is the eternal truth.
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Allah Swt created monkies that later evolved into mankind and killed anything that didn't agree with them. That is a biological truth.
We are closer to earthworms and monkies genetically speaking. Now this has been proven genetically, so when exactly did Allah swt created Adam and pushed him out of heavens and onto the wretched earth?
Evolutionary process has been going on for billions of years on Planet earth, humans started walking straight not that long ago in terms of years. I think 6k to 7k yrs ago.
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Too many ppl, while talking about Islam give the impression that Allah swt created Islam only for Himself, hence there's no need for others to understand anything, so you just follow whatever is claimed to be His words by miniature gods running amok.
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There used to be a british comedy show about english as a secondary language. In the show was a chinese girl with a chinese red book, every opportunity she got she would take the book out and start waving at people selling communism to other students. Your choice of "miniature gods running amok" took me down memory lane.....; that description fits to the T for what I have seen so far on the forum about a certain few.
Sabah the type of family I come from- the elders never force -they always educate.yes I was told that Allah would punish those who sin, however I was also told why we must pray ,and why we must thank Allah for all we have.
You cant expect to get the rosy glassed view of anything.Children need to be told all sides of the religion.There is nothing wrong in telling them that Allah punishes those who reject the faith.But you're forgetting, that 99.9% of parents also tell their kids the benefit of prayer and religion.They do say ke "agar nemaz paro ghai toh Jannat main jao ghai."
Those that wish to degrade Islam , or those that are ignorant as to what the religion is all about---they see it as a religion of violence.They only see one side of the picture, and they want to put it down so badly, they wish to never point out what the faith is all about---"peace and submission".
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And why is the entire concept of learning religion based on threats and violence, rather than respect and love for God?
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This is not true.A very few ,and I mean few people teach religion that way.Faith in Allah is a first step.Active learning is fine, but questioning what has been revealed is completely different.People often wish to question why so and so aspect is in a so and so way.Instead of learning why its that way, how it came about, what it means etc-- they start to contradict it.
and you know what..its not all about jannat either. Prayer is the ultimate line of communication between you and God. i mean, God hears you no matter what, duh, but...when you get into..and i mean..get into it..you urself will feel that connection. if you pray salaat because ONLY because you HAVE to..then you are fooling urself. salaat is more then that. you should do it because you WANT to. because you NEED to. when kids are little, they don't always understand this. but you should always explain to them, that besides jannat and avoiding hellfire..your duas are going to someone who has laid down rules in life for you, in your best benefit. He is the one who will ALWAYS be there for you, no matter what. Even if things go wrong in life, and you think God has disappointed you..and its all over..it's not. That everything good and bad in life is a test. a test of faith. when you are praying salaat, you are praising Him for all He is..and for all He has made you, and in your duas..you can always ask for His help. I grew up thinking, if i pray..i will get what i want. that i should only pray if i want something really bad. and of course, if you want something, you should ask for it in your duas from God. and remember, everything God does for you, is in your best benefit. So if you get what you want, or if you don't get what you want, it was all decided in your best benefit. but to only pray when you need or want something really bad, is also essentially wrong. We must praise our creator at all times, and it doesn't take much out of my day..5 times..to praise Him. He is my ultimate caretaker, and my life is in his hands. Nobody but Him. Mentioning hellfire too many times, can just instill fear into the child, tell the child he should perform salaat not only out of fear..but mostly..out of love for Allah swt. Love, because He will always look out for what He created before we entered this life, in this life (whether in good times or bad), and of course after this life.
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Allah Swt created monkies that later evolved into mankind and killed anything that didn't agree with them. That is a biological truth.
We are closer to earthworms and monkies genetically speaking. Now this has been proven genetically, so when exactly did Allah swt created Adam and pushed him out of heavens and onto the wretched earth?
Evolutionary process has been going on for billions of years on Planet earth, humans started walking straight not that long ago in terms of years. I think 6k to 7k yrs ago.
There used to be a british comedy show about english as a secondary language. In the show was a chinese girl with a chinese red book, every opportunity she got she would take the book out and start waving at people selling communism to other students. Your choice of "miniature gods running amok" took me down memory lane.....; that description fits to the T for what I have seen so far on the forum about a certain few.
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the evolutionists are so voilent in their defence of the fallacy of the theory that the get offended if any one even dare it call a theory. its like evolutionsists have actually witnessed the time pass by and seen animals evolve. go get a life, evolution has been disproved over and over, read up on harun yahya and u will understand the truth....
Verizon
The Evolutionary Theory is not only a fallacy but a deceipt. It's been proven wrong time and time again. Not by religionists, but by scientists and evolutionists themselves.
Unfortunately evolutionists are back to square one.
Islam is the only True Religion without reservation and nothing else will be accepted.
Peace.
i dont understand your point Sabah..
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Islam is the only True Religion without reservation and nothing else will be accepted.
Peace.
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What is truth? Which islam is true? Shia, Sunni, Ahmedi, Brelvi. Or they just are different version of truths?
how did ahmadi get in the list man?
haha..
any how,only ahlul sunnah wal jamah are the true saved sect, any one who follows any other person other than rasul :saw: blindly is not correct.
specially the barelvis, who are full of deviant practices which are at minimum bordering on shirk and at maximum shirk, constituting kufr.
wallah o alam.
Robert
Islam is Islam.
The sectarian divides you mention are neither here nor there.
Peace
ThandyMazaq & Sholay You guys should pick up a book on genetics. Any general book on genetics. It's fascinating stuff.
Verizon
You'll be surprised on what books I've actually picked up and actually studied, not just read.
The fact is that Evolution in line with Darwin's Theory, is exactly as it states. A fallible Theory.
^^You are absolutely right, however, I disagree.
Verizon
No problem. The whole point of healthy debates is to agree to disagree where required.
Peace.
MQ, your 99.9 claim is wrong, I’ve studied in a Muslim school and I can put my money on my claim that 90% of parents don’t even know how to explain why we do the most basic things we do without threatening. My point is not to insult Islam, I’d rather want us to understand that we need to follow a different approach. Islam is a beautiful religion and can be preached with love and respect. Our inability to understand and peacefully discuss Islam is disturbing.
“This is not true.A very few ,and I mean few people teach religion that way.”
Wrong, else you wouldn’t see so my ppl jumping up and down upon every tiny borderline query on Islam, and still failing to understand what the original question was about. My observation is based on one Muslim school, one mosque I went to and two mosques my bother is going to. Kids can not contradict as adults can so any mullah should be able to counter that. What do you think they can ask at most? Why do I have to wear scarf? Is that too difficult for a learned person to answer to, given that he’s talking to a child?
“Prayer is the ultimate line of communication between you and God” :k:
Why can’t you explain this to a child? Apply Santa Claus terminology if you have hard time being creative with kids.
MM, I wasn’t expecting you to either, want me to help or are you okay without the added knowledge?
There is one thing that ... One thing is not usually told to us that what are the drawbacks or disadvantages of a certain thing which is prohibited ...... We are just told that just dont do this and that .....