Islam is based on 5-7 Pillars & Nothing else!

All muslims are united by the Shahada that there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is the Final Prophet of Allah!

Islam’s Ritual practise is based on the following 7 fundamentals:
Prayers
Fast
Zakat
Haj
Jehad
Taharah (Cleanliness: Body & Spiritual)
Walaya (Allegiance to the Ahle Bayt Imam).

The discharge or observances of the following fundamentals by muslims are not rigid or unflexible:

For example:

  1. Jihad is a struggle against all injustices & temptations. Jihad against poverty & ignorance should be the contempory meaning of Jehad.

  2. Zakat is the obligatory 2.5%; there is no restriction in quran as to why this can’t be raised so funds can be raised for Jehad against poverty & ignorance.

  3. Prayers in quran does not specify any set mechanics or structure. I can’t even find evidence about “5 salah” in the quran. And, those who insist that quiblah is mecca is only pushing his/her own agenda and not the stipulations of the quran.

  4. Fast - The quran talks about fasting “in the month” the quran was revealed. The quran took over 23 years to be revealed. Then, accordingly, we should fast 23 years.

  5. Haj - The quran talks about pilgrimage to Abraham’s holy sites once in life. But, the best haj is a life-long pilgrimage or an inner journey - a journey of the heart that emphasizes piety, dedication & service in the way of Allah!

WHAT ARE NOT FUNDAMENTALS OF ISLAM:

  1. The insubordinate & inequitable position of women & minorities are not fundamentals of Islam.

Islam believes that - All are equal before Allah and, this should be reflected, first of all, in the interpretations of Islam.

  1. The punishments: flogging, cutting of hands, be-heading, stoning are barbaric pratices and certainly not fundamentals of Islam.

The emphasis should be on deterence & remedial/rehabilitation process that assists one to change his/her ways.

There are other beliefs that are not fundamental to Islam but have been made into Sharia to preserve one’s position & previleges.

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you summarized it good faceup. This is the way one should talk instead of fighting.

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dear faceup you forget to write the 8th and 9th most important fundamental of shiaism.

**8) the muttah, **of course according to them its part of sunnat-e-rasool.

9) ranking sahabas as LA instead of RA.

by the way let me pat your ignorance once again.

there are five pillars of islam. according to a tradition mohammet.sa once said.

islam is based on five (pillars).

1) bearing witness that there is none worthy of worship but allah, and mohammaet.sa is his servant and his messenger [declaration of faith]

2) observance of salat [daily prayers]

3) paying zakat

4) pilgrimage to [the kaa’ba] the house [of allah] and

5) fasting during ramadhan

{bukhari}

for their explanation, I will write later in the light of quran and ahadiths.

the jihad and imam and wali are only part of shia faiths. there are no proofs in traditions of mohammet.sa and quran.

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nanga
i am new here and i dont come to religion section that much but i smell some jealousy in your tone. why? why do you raise things that we care least about? you, allshah, are both arrogant and tries to fight. why? do you have some psychological disorders? Consult to a doc dude.

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nanga,

I welcome your feedbacks according to quran but am not interested in Islam according to bukhari & co.

Weren't you supposed to provide quranic evidence for following sunnah?

This was asked of you and your numerous other followers of bukhari's Islam under the thread:WHO IS 'ALI?

Maybe, your first prerogative should be to understand - why you follow Bukhari's version of Islam!

azam you are most welcome to share your views. there is no obligation what and who you follow. but your message should contain some thing appreciable to an intellectual brains. usually we try to discuss things which eventually end up in conflicts and name calling. perhaps at instances its hard for me to keep my mouth shut.

the points, which i highlighted, were discussed in the past few weeks and the believers of these origin tried their best to put this on top without any logical statements. Like the name of ali on moon. What does that mean?. The plaque of noah’s ark scribed with name of ahlay bait. does it mean that their names saved that arc, or does it means that the since the plaque was scrabbled with great names is saved and the rest is disintegrated with time. is allah not sufficient?

these are not hatred filled remarks but sincere words for those who can scrutinize their beliefs in the light of human morality.

faceup i have read your question a few times on different locations, hopefully I will come up with something positive for you. secondly i have a question for you. tell me first where did you get those 5-7 fundamentals, is it from quran, sunnah, ahadiths, or sayings of your imams.

faceup,
what is wilaya?

nanga,
mein aapki baat kee taeed karta hoon regarding giving reasons lekin aapki tone bilkul ghalat hay. aap offensive ho kar baat kartey hein jis kee waja say doosra aadmi bhi chillata hay. meney aapkey aur allshah or baqee logon key ultey seedhay post parhey, aap kee aksar baatein bilkul senseless hain.

acha haan yaad aya,
yeh faceup key sawal ka jawaab hamein talash karna parey ga.tum bhi dhondo , mein bhi apney area key imam-e-masjid sey poochonga. yaar, faceup ka sawal goli hay.

chalo phir milaingay. oaey, meray kehney ka maqsad tumko badnaam karna nahin hey nanga bhai, sirif tumhara tareeqa theek nahin.

Allah hafiz.

"1) The insubordinate & inequitable position of women & minorities are not fundamentals of Islam.

The fundamental of Islam is - All are equal before Allah and, this should be reflected, first of all, in the interpretations of Islam."

Hey faceup, what have I been saying wrong????Isn't this exactly what I was talking about?

nazreen,
ab hum aapko sydney liyay chaltey hein jahan sey aap pakistan aur korea key maanbhain (oops, i mean mabain) khela janewala semifinal baraherast (sahehe rastey key zariayay) dekh sakein gey. is match ko aap tak phonchaney mein humarey sath taawun kiya hay desi ghee limited ney. ab aap log apni mazhabi guftuga ko waqfa dejeeyay. wafqa baraey gilli danda (hockey).

aaeeyay chalein.

faceup, tell me where in Quran its says that you should belive in 5 pilars??

Islam we know today is consist of teaching from Quran and Hadith (sayings of Sahaba S.A)which tells us how the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) practice.

The example is the how to perform (namaz)prayers. There is no mention of how to say Prayers in Quran but it is described in Hadith.

1)Azam,

Wilaya is allegiance to Ahle Bayt Imams.

2) hk,
If you agree to: "The insubordinate & inequitable position of women & minorities are not fundamentals of Islam."

Then, I must say - Hats off to you and, sorry if I wasn't listening. BTW - what do you think about my opinion on Zakat & Jehad?

3)Insaniyat,
Sure the quran talks about the fundamentals of Islam: Prayers, Fasting, Haj, Zakat, Jehad and also to follow those "in authority"/Imams amongst us.

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Originally posted by faceup:
*Islam is based on the basics or fundamentals and they are:
Prayers
Fast
Zakat
Haj
Jehad
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Faceup,

I thought the five pillars of Islam were,
Shahada(declaration of faith, Salah(prayers, Fasting, Zakat(charity), and Hajj.
Hmmm?

GFQ,

R you a muslim without the shahada? Or, for that matter - Is any1 a muslim without the declaration of belief?

The pillars/fundamentals are inconsequential w/o the shahada. It is with the affirmation of the belief/sahada that one seekd to live within the fundamentals of islam!

The way you listed them would be correct too; but then, that leaves out jehad! Islam was/is built on jehad!

faceup what is jihad? AND what is the major form Jihad?

۞ Grasping sword in one hand and Quran in the other and asking mankind to become Muslim?
Or
۞ Fighting with our own immoralities and self-instincts, so called jihad-bil-nafs?

Also please elaborate how you consider Jihad as part of Islamic Fundamental. (give references from both Quran and Sunnah.)

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Originally posted by faceup:
**1)Azam,

Wilaya is allegiance to Ahle Bayt Imams.

2) hk,
If you agree to: "The insubordinate & inequitable position of women & minorities are not fundamentals of Islam."

Then, I must say - Hats off to you and, sorry if I wasn't listening. BTW - what do you think about my opinion on Zakat & Jehad?

3)Insaniyat,
Sure the quran talks about the fundamentals of Islam: Prayers, Fasting, Haj, Zakat, Jehad and also to follow those "in authority"/Imams amongst us. **
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"The insubordinate & inequitable position of women & minorities are not fundamentals of Islam."
Faceup, what else did u think I was saying?????????? The entire time i was arguing with you, I was trying to prove this very point. We must've gotten our wires crossed or something.
You'd be surprised though, to find out that I dont disagree with your views on Jehad and Zakat.
I have to say though, that Shahada is the most important of all. I dont know if it was supposed to be included in your list of fundamentals.

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Originally posted by faceup:
*4) Fast - The quran talks about fasting "in the month" the quran was revealed. The quran took over 23 years to be revealed. Then, accordingly, we should fast 23 years.
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While others are commenting or rebutling on other stuff that has been mentioned, the only thing here I want to say is this:

To what I know, when we see that The quran talks about fasting "in the month" the quran was revealed, it means, according to my knowledge, that Quran was already written there in what is mentioned in Quran itself as "Loh-e-Mahfooz" or at another place it's refered to as "Kitabum Maknoon". And, the mention of the thing that it was revealed in this month means that It (Quran) was sent to the sky of the earth (Aasman-e-Dunya) in the month of Ramadhan, more precisely on "lailatum Mubarika" (Lailatul Qadr).
From there, it was sent accordingly during the period of more or less 23 years.

Walaa ho Alam Bis Sawab!

Wama Alaina Illal Balagh!


**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**


Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
How come people come up with the idea that Shaheen is a "gal"????

There are 5(FIVE) Pillars of Islam, and they are:

1 Shahda- Kalima.
2 Salah- Prayer
3 Soum- Fasting(Rooza)
4 Zakaat- Poor due.
5 Hajj.

Bye!


*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

CLARIFICATION & APOLOGY:

The original post was meant to focus on the Ritual practise that are "fundamental" to Islam: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ismaili, etc and theY are:

Shahada:
All muslims are united in the shahada that there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is the Final Prophet of Allah.

Ritual Practise of muslims fall in the following 7 categories:

Prayers
Fast
Zakat
Haj
Jehad
Taharah (Cleanliness: Body & Spiritual)
Walaya (Allegiance to the Ahle Bayt Imam)

I 've updated the main post as well and sincerely apologise for any confusion/oversight on my part.

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Originally posted by faceup:

**CLARIFICATION & APOLOGY:

The original post was meant to focus on the Ritual practise that are "fundamental" to Islam: Sunni, Shia, Sufi, Ismaili, etc and theY are:

Shahada:
All muslims are united in the shahada that there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is the Final Prophet of Allah.

Ritual Practise of muslims fall in the following 7 categories:

Prayers
Fast
Zakat
Haj
Jehad
Taharah (Cleanliness: Body & Spiritual)
Walaya (Allegiance to the Ahle Bayt Imam)

I 've updated the main post as well and sincerely apologise for any confusion/oversight on my part.

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I get it now..