ok but im just sying that guy down ther light bearer iz saying itz a matter of opinion,no itz not there iz no doubt islam iz the perfect religion and proud!! 
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
every religion has something good to offer.
likewise, Islam has.
we believe that it is a perfect religion. but Islam has not asked us to call other religions imperfect.
Islam does teach peace and reflection. & it comes in the hearts of the people on its own, it can't be forced on anyone.
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
And why a perfect religion depens fully on human interepretations???
And why a perfect religion depens fully on human interepretations???
Does it? As far as i know, the religion and the holy book (Quran) are perfect. It is the humans that interpret IT for their understanding and depend on it. Not the other way around.
Look what you are saying is nothing but arrogance and your opnion. What you are saying is nothing new, every religion in the world is full of these claims. Take any religion as an example. The hindus say the same, christians claim the same. All words at the end of the day. As far as I am concerned or in my “opinion” (see the emphasis is on opinion) (meaning not necesary for you to agree) all religions have something good to offer but none is good enough to be perfect.
PS: Your post was edited before I read it but I read the reason for editing. Is this what you learn from the perfect religion?
If you get offended easily this is no place for you, if you want to discuss decently you are more than welcome. BTW profanity is hardly an argument or discussion.
Does it? As far as i know, the religion and the holy book (Quran) are perfect. It is the humans that interpret IT for their understanding and depend on it. Not the other way around.
Teggy I totally agree, that Quran is word perfect book. No questions or arguments on it.
And why a perfect religion depens fully on human interepretations???
-to avoid monotonous
-and there is nothing to find out for you then :)
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
meditation and reflection is encouraged in Islam.
& that right there in an indication that it is not authoritarian in its nature.
it encourages us to utilize our will power and of course that is guided and controlled by Allah swt's will as we are destined to do. BUT, we are RESPONSIBLE for our own actions and intentions.
& this is the purity of Islam as faith that it puts us on our challenges rather than our challenges on us.
Teggy I totally agree, that Quran is word perfect book. No questions or arguments on it.
Its all in beliefs. For muslims its holy and perfect ,for others its just a book.
A perfect religion is one who doesnt differentiate between ppl based on religion.
A perfect religion is one who doesnt force ppl to pray to a particular god but to make them believe that no matter whom you pray to , ur reaching god.
A perfect religion is one who values life of every single living thing on the planet.
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
ahem....imo no religion is perfect
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
prove it
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
I Just did!!
Its all in beliefs. For muslims its holy and perfect ,for others its just a book.
so, when others say that they respect it being a holy book of muslims, they are actually lying? It's just anyother book that they do not have to respect really? What type of perfect religion will teach them not to consider other's holy book as holy????
A perfect religion is one who doesnt differentiate between ppl based on religion.
In matters of religion, it should. If a jew comes to a court, then, he should get justice based on his books that he believe in, same is true for a muslim, or for a hindu or for a christian.. agreed?
A perfect religion is one who doesnt force ppl to pray to a particular god but to make them believe that no matter whom you pray to , ur reaching god.
even if doing so, you disobey the basic rules of worshipping a God? (by the way, there is a difference between god and God - no one would want to reach god anyway) ... God is one or more is a fundamental belief so which god are you reaching in doing so? The true one or the fake one? how in the world a perfect religion would want you to reach a fake god?
A perfect religion is one who values life of every single living thing on the planet.
Islam is the answer. Every life is precious in its eyes. There is no cast system within its boundaries. All humanity is progeny of Adam in its eyes and only one who is better in the eyes of Islam is one who is good in his/her deeds.
Its all in beliefs. For muslims its holy and perfect ,for others its just a book.
have you ever read, or even listen to the recitation of that book?
A perfect religion is one who doesnt differentiate between ppl based on religion.
then it is not perfect....then you are using religion for own good.
....and that is what people did with books came before Quran.
A perfect religion is one who doesnt force ppl to pray to a particular god but to make them believe that no matter whom you pray to , ur reaching god.
i know hindus do believe that there is a God of every so-called god and goddess. :p
A perfect religion is one who values life of every single living thing on the planet.
yep, Islam does that. it take cares of every living thing and non living thing.
AQ muazrat kay saath. You replied to CB but I also have some questions;
so, when others say that they respect it being a holy book of muslims, they are actually lying? It's just anyother book that they do not have to respect really? What type of perfect religion will teach them not to consider other's holy book as holy????
Salafis just consider it a book. As far as I am concerned it is just a book, the wordings are holy in it. We dont have to respect the book but the words in it.
In matters of religion, it should. If a jew comes to a court, then, he should get justice based on his books that he believe in, same is true for a muslim, or for a hindu or for a christian.. agreed?
As pakistan's constitution is based on Islam, whats all this ho ha about blaphemy law?
Islam is the answer. Every life is precious in its eyes. There is no cast system within its boundaries. All humanity is progeny of Adam in its eyes and only one who is better in the eyes of Islam is one who is good in his/her deeds.
Then why try to convert people to Islam, they can do good deed wherever they are.
AQ muazrat kay saath. You replied to CB but I also have some questions;
always welcome dost. I always look forward for your kind responses :)
Salafis just consider it a book. As far as I am concerned it is just a book, the wordings are holy in it. We dont have to respect the book but the words in it.
I am not salafi so I do not have to agree although I agree with the part that words need to be respected (by acting upon them) but book should be respected too IMHO.
As pakistan's constitution is based on Islam, whats all this ho ha about blaphemy law?
when I said a person of different faith comes to court, I meant when he/she comes as prosecutor. When muslims come as prosecutor, it should be the same. In case of law of blesphemy, it should be dealt with the Islamic Laws.
Then try to convert people to Islam, the can do good deed wherever they are.
why not work on the character of current muslims. I have started to feel that our own muslim fellows have adopted the worst traits of hypocrites, two-faced and back-biters. Our tongues no longer speak our hearts. If that was not so, there would have been no single soul to point fingers at Islam.
Re: "Islam is a perfect religion"
Peace @ Light Bearer and chintu_bhopali
Islam is perfect according to it's doctrine, when you view it in terms of manifested religion then you need to include the shortfalls of people in your equation. It no longer remains a perfect thing, but becomes as good as the collective adherence and dynamics involved enmass with respect to both Muslims and non-Muslims.
In the secondary respect it is called Shari'ah and Shari'ah provides an OPTIMAL (not perfect) but optimal condition for human survival and progress. The way you are viewing Islam is actually not from a doctrinal perspective, but from the manifested form. And in this case I would modify the claim to Islam being the BEST system available to provide justice and equitability throughout the world than any other system. This way this claim forces other systems to be compared with it rather than viewing it as an isolated absolute. It is not to say there will be no dissention and no problems, but those problems that become manifest so long as other problems do not compound them will be limited and eventually terminated. From the dogmatic point of view there is nothing within the tenets of Islam's Shari'ah that creates an inherent problem, but other world systems create injustices on dogmatic levels, such as Communism and Capitalism.
Now this is a better arena for debate
so, when others say that they respect it being a holy book of muslims, they are actually lying? It's just anyother book that they do not have to respect really? What type of perfect religion will teach them not to consider other's holy book as holy????
Do you think geeta is a holy book? I have full respect for your holy book but again its not holy for me.
In matters of religion, it should. If a jew comes to a court, then, he should get justice based on his books that he believe in, same is true for a muslim, or for a hindu or for a christian.. agreed?
even if doing so, you disobey the basic rules of worshipping a God? (by the way, there is a difference between god and God - no one would want to reach god anyway) ... God is one or more is a fundamental belief so which god are you reaching in doing so? The true one or the fake one? how in the world a perfect religion would want you to reach a fake god?
what is a fake god? whats in the name ..if you call it allah or shiva. ultimately it is recahing to him. Tell me ..do god have such a small heart that he will get angry if you call him by other name? you call your dad 'abba' but will he mind if you call him 'pitaji' or 'daddy'? Every name is taken with respect so there is no concept of fake god. When you pray with honesty and good heart it should not matter and if it matters to him then he is like us...who gets offended by small things.
Islam is the answer. Every life is precious in its eyes. There is no cast system within its boundaries. All humanity is progeny of Adam in its eyes and only one who is better in the eyes of Islam is one who is good in his/her deeds.
Every religion has its own gud and bad things. I can point out many bad things about islam as well as about my own religion too. Its not perfect , its only how you see it.
have you ever read, or even listen to the recitation of that book?
dont get offended but Islam is not for me. Lots of restrictions and rules.
then it is not perfect....then you are using religion for own good.
....and that is what people did with books came before Quran.
How it will be for my own good. It will be good for the whole society .
i know hindus do believe that there is a God of every so-called god and goddess. :p
ya but the divine power is one. So no matter whom you pray to you are ultimately reaching God.So noone will get offended even if i come to mosque and pray but your god will be angry if you come to temple and pray.
yep, Islam does that. it take cares of every living thing and non living thing.
I dont think So. killing animals on eid...I dont think it takes care of every living and non living thing. Have you seen youtube videos where they are slaughtering camels in some arab country. Its so gruesome.
message is not too short
Peace @ Light Bearer and chintu_bhopali
Islam is perfect according to it's doctrine, when you view it in terms of manifested religion then you need to include the shortfalls of people in your equation. It no longer remains a perfect thing, but becomes as good as the collective adherence and dynamics involved enmass with respect to both Muslims and non-Muslims.
In the secondary respect it is called Shari'ah and Shari'ah provides an OPTIMAL (not perfect) but optimal condition for human survival and progress. The way you are viewing Islam is actually not from a doctrinal perspective, but from the manifested form. And in this case I would modify the claim to Islam being the BEST system available to provide justice and equitability throughout the world than any other system. This way this claim forces other systems to be compared with it rather than viewing it as an isolated absolute. It is not to say there will be no dissention and no problems, but those problems that become manifest so long as other problems do not compound them will be limited and eventually terminated. From the dogmatic point of view there is nothing within the tenets of Islam's Shari'ah that creates an inherent problem, but other world systems create injustices on dogmatic levels, such as Communism and Capitalism.
Now this is a better arena for debate
Peace to you as well Psyah.
First of all its good what you said "optimal - not perfect" because these are two different things all togather. Now this is not the topic, the topic still claims it to be perfect.
You can open a thread on the point which you have brought forward. But truthfully speaking comparing religions is not my cup of tea. I feel its more like finding out who is more crippled among the two three different disabled persons, now one maybe less crippled than the other but its still disabled. As I said thats a whole different topic and another thread might be a better idea.