Re: Islam in Pakistan
Tariq,
You are probably still stuck to my well composed post, you missed out on what pico has written which has answered all your comments below and I have also added a few points to.
If you clearly look into my previos post , I have asked you a few questions probably you missed that out, I would really be happy if you could approach those problems. But again seems like you are running away.As what you are stating is we muslims already know it, but rather the solutions which were thought out also have been nullified.
Now let me start with the same rebuttal
Slave:
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- whether you consider it an assumption or not, if you believe something without demonstrable evidence, it leads to an assumption. It is however difficult for you to accept only because you're **insecure **that if you seek such evidence and can't find it, it may lead to conclusions that you think you won't like. Rather, you'd just suppress that thinking process with the term 'belief system'. (if you really probe you will find that islam is not a belief 'system').
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Insecure, is this a joke (ok in your barbie world i am insecure happy now). Well i dont mind, but again you have made an assumption and assumptions are made without any analysis and facts and you have just provided that. Thats fine you feel i am insecured good for you.
I like the word belief process, because stil its a process, come over tariq how much mud slinging you are upto just to justify your point. Guess what i kind of feel, that you have some kinda inferiority complex well its left upto you (an assumption). Problem is you feel you are the smartest floating arse around, which over a period of time you will understand you aint.
Anyways from, your previous posts it seems to me that you will again start with your old ghisa phita dialogues intead of addressing the problem.
Well i wont cover the word assumption because you havent made any effort to understand my pov its your inanity or ignorance. Allaah knows the best what your intention is.
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- No, you cannot use the 1.4 muslims instead of the 80% of crooks in my example. 'If 80% of crooks are muslim' is very different from 'how many muslims are crooks'. the point being how to root out crooks!
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You are beating round the bush but you havent provided any solution. Great the point being how to root out the crooks you shud have addressed this rather make some skewed statement, which has no basis, evidence, fact and analysis.
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- you wrote in bold "islam = country" and "muslim = citizen"; now if that's not what you mean, then what are trying to say? If you mean what you wrote, then my question stands - what about citizens who are not muslims? I will also add, what about countries which reject islam? will they cease to be citizen or country? Will you then start having a separate set of laws for each religion within a country? ....doesn't make sense!
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Now baby Tariq, please make some effort to understand i hope you are not thick skinned.Yes, did you make an effort to read pico's post and you will have your answer.
Now i wanna ask you what about the Muslims in Secular countries (this is an analogy), hope you get my drift and it makes some sense to you.
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There is this continued callous statement "a muslim country like pakistan"....whenever it is convenient (like in this instance, it is convenient for you to call it a muslim country because it will then add some weight to pushing sharia). Bu*t once you call it that and equate islam=country, then you will have to accept that what's wrong with pakistan is what is wrong with islam also*. (*this is where usually the 'religious' and the 'religiouso' go "no no no, this is not islam - it is misunderstood"./*QUOTE]
Ah now if i give a callous driver to drive mercedes benz and s/he meets with an accident do i blame Mercedes benz or the driver. Any logical person will blame the driver. Its the same case here you wanna know Islam read the Quran.
Otherwise you are backing my statement where our debate initiated first 'dont call yourself following islam' now you get my point why call yourself following Islam when you aint. Thanks for confirming my point.
The italicized part is just a rhetoric by you, well i have answered.
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* On polygamy I'll simplify my question thus: will you commit here that polygamy is an uncivilized practice? why bring poor quran into it
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Please refer to Pico's post, and getting poor Quran who is getting the poor Quran you are me, who is making this a complicated issue you or me.
Polygamy is an uncivilized practice in what context. Now suppose in Afghanistan, ok forget Afghanistan let me take few parts of Indonesia aftermath Tsunami.
The male population was reduced vice versa the females were more in comparison to male over a period of time (i have to explain each in detail) the research shows that rapes, multiple sex partners have increased. Now calling it uncivilized without any context doesnt make sense.
Where as people talk about Polygamy being uncivilized i damn ask the so called western countries who in the veil of monogamy are practicing much heinous practice of multiple sex outside marriage relationships.
Yes to give a legal status to polygamy uncivilized, but to provide status of mistress/ children without any father's name is civilized. Well i dont support polygamy, but you have to read Quran 4:129
But before that I sincerely ask you to ANSWER MY 4 QUESTIONS WHICH I HAVE QUESTIONED YOU.
