thoughts which validate this statement, share.
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oh please ! let's not get into an issue that cannot be proven by any ways. We can always hope and pray for it, but it's useless to talk about an issue that we can only spiritually gasp.
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hope and pray for what? ISLAM will be there, Allah has promised.
hope and pray for what? ISLAM will be there, Allah has promised.
Yeah exactly..
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Well its the last one that follows the Ibrahimic chain. So its the latest most accurate version that compiles all the past knowledge. The people who convert to Islam find clear evidence based on reason to follow that path, spirituality comes later on, so I think this dicussion is not completely futile.
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its the last revealed religion for Muslims, there have been religions after Islam which Muslims can feel sure about as not from Allah. Religions before Islam always have the chance of being originated by one of the hundreds of thousands of people sent by Allah for guidance.
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Islam is not a name of any religion, it's just a common noun used in the book called The Quran. Even though the book actually has no name, it is just another "quran" or recitation/teaching."
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^WHAT?
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What? Aren't Sikhism Mormonism and Scientology newer religions?
Anyway I'm sure there will be more scams that will succeed to have enough followers to qualify as religion.
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Do I have to explain? You won't believe me so I don't see the point.
In arabic, there are no capital letters. You know a word is a name if its meaning doesnt fit into the context. If it fits, then it probably is a common noun, unless its by coincidence.
Oh and if you read the quran, it always refers to itself as THIS "quran." You never say "this" when you're referring to a name. The word "quran" means "reading/recitation/teaching..." So it refers to itself as "this recitation."
^ Needs explanation and context to the topic of thread.
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Islam can't be the last religion if it's not the name of a religion, but just one of the concepts mentioned in the quran.
I believe that "islam" and "muslim" are common nouns and have meaning. There meaning has to do with peace (same root as salam). Islam, to me, is a state of peacefulness, and muslim is a person who has attained that state. The prefix "mu" is the same as muhammad (one who has attained greatness) and mumin (one who has faith).
Peace in the quran has to do with not having emotions. Usually people are pushed around by their emotions and they do things and believe in things just because they feel like it. When we are at peace we can ignore our emotions and finally see the truth and make the right decisions.
Islam can't be the last religion if it's not the name of a religion, but just one of the concepts mentioned in the quran.
I believe that "islam" and "muslim" are common nouns and have meaning. There meaning has to do with peace (same root as salam). Islam, to me, is a state of peacefulness, and muslim is a person who has attained that state. The prefix "mu" is the same as muhammad (one who has attained greatness) and mumin (one who has faith).
Peace in the quran has to do with not having emotions. Usually people are pushed around by their emotions and they do things and believe in things just because they feel like it. When we are at peace we can ignore our emotions and finally see the truth and make the right decisions.
Peace Kid A
I sort of agree with you here. Peace does not mean to be emotionless, but rather to have your emotions governed by your wisdom and intellect. You can and should be emotionally attached to Allah (SWT) and the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Where I definitely agree is that Islam is not a religion.
Islam is The Way. From beginning to end it is the only one that has ever been sanctioned by God. All other religions are religions because they are paths that deviated from The Way.
According to our scriptures Islam will see its glory in the whole world and then when all the good souls are taken only bad people will be left and gradually Islam will be forgotten and Destruction will only befall the worst of people. So as the last religion on Earth I would probably say it is Hedonism, prior to Judgement Day.
If you were to consider Judgement Day as part of the Earth experience then on that Day Islam will be manifest beyond the control of man and a veil will be lifted. Prior to sentence and sending to final abode i.e. Hell or Heaven Islam will be present again.
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last? i thought end would come when there will be no muslim left on earth?
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Peace Psyah,
Actually I don't think we agree that much, as you'll see...
I agree that our emotions have to be governed by intellect, but the first step is to get rid of them. If someone hits us, our reaction is to hit back in anger. Instead of giving in to our anger, we can take a deep breath and first THINK, then we can use that anger to do something that we want to do. So it is the case of the emotion of anger submitting to us rather than us submitting to it.
That is how I interpret the story of Adam and Iblees where Iblees refused to bow down. Adam is us, and the hidden beings (jinn) are our emotions. They are supposed to submit to us. When they do, we can use them for good. When they don't, they become destructive.
The quran likens them to fire...if we have fire as a controlled flame, we can use it, but if it grows out of control, it becomes harmful.
Islam to me is not the way either. It is just a description of a particular state of being. It does not encompass anything other than the state of peacefulness as I described.
Also, I don't know how you can be emotionally attached to god.
but we certainly can't be emotionally attached to the messenger. That's wrong. We should believe in the message, not the messenger. Who says something is not important. What's important is what is said. Even liars can sometimes tell the truth, and even the best, most knowledgeble of us all can make mistakes.
I don't know if I believe in a physical heaven and hell.
People beleive that Adam was in heaven, but he wasn't. Adam was a human on earth, and he represents us. Satan tempts him with immortality. If he were in heaven, he would not be tempted by anything let alone immortality because he would get whatever he wanted, and people live forever in heaven. So he had to be on earth.
And I believe that heaven and hell are mental states that are experienced on earth. We can go in and out of these states depending on what we think and believe.
There is no judgement day.
And maybe there is an afterlife but I really can't say if it exists or what it will be like (since no one has come back from the dead).
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Peace Psyah,
Actually I don't think we agree that much, as you'll see...
I agree that our emotions have to be governed by intellect, but the first step is to get rid of them. If someone hits us, our reaction is to hit back in anger. Instead of giving in to our anger, we can take a deep breath and first THINK, then we can use that anger to do something that we want to do. So it is the case of the emotion of anger submitting to us rather than us submitting to it.
Peace Kid A
If we get rid of our emotions then they cannot be governed. You can't agree with me and then make a statement that destroys the premise of that agreement. When I said that I agree with you, I did not mean that our intents are aligned. Of course you have no idea what it means to have the emotion govern the intellect. If you did know then you would not disagree with me. In your statement about how we are supposed to control our anger ... well that is exactly what I mean. So hopefully we are in agreement ... you can disagree with me here if you wanted to, but it would not be logical to do so.
That is how I interpret the story of Adam and Iblees where Iblees refused to bow down. Adam is us, and the hidden beings (jinn) are our emotions. They are supposed to submit to us. When they do, we can use them for good. When they don't, they become destructive. The quran likens them to fire...if we have fire as a controlled flame, we can use it, but if it grows out of control, it becomes harmful.
funny you sound very much like someone I once knew ...
Muslims are obliged to believe in the reality of Jinn. They are not part of us as none of the references to Jinn say that they are part of us. How would the prophet Muhammad (SAW) be an emissary to Jinn if you are right about them being metaphors for our own emotions? Have you heard of Surah Jinn? Have you been to Masjid Jinn near Makkah? We are also obliged to believe in the reality of the Fire.
Islam to me is not the way either. It is just a description of a particular state of being. It does not encompass anything other than the state of peacefulness as I described.
Have you read the verse in the Qur'an that calls the Deen (The Way) Islam?
Also, I don't know how you can be emotionally attached to god. but we certainly can't be emotionally attached to the messenger. That's wrong. We should believe in the message, not the messenger. Who says something is not important. What's important is what is said. Even liars can sometimes tell the truth, and even the best, most knowledgeble of us all can make mistakes.
By Loving God we can be emotionally attached to Him. Don't you love God more than anything Kid A? Don't you love Muhammad (SAW) more than anyone Kid A? If you didn't then you that it a dangerous position to be in.
I don't know if I believe in a physical heaven and hell. People beleive that Adam was in heaven, but he wasn't. Adam was a human on earth, and he represents us. Satan tempts him with immortality. If he were in heaven, he would not be tempted by anything let alone immortality because he would get whatever he wanted, and people live forever in heaven. So he had to be on earth. And I believe that heaven and hell are mental states that are experienced on earth. We can go in and out of these states depending on what we think and believe. There is no judgement day. And maybe there is an afterlife but I really can't say if it exists or what it will be like (since no one has come back from the dead).
He Adam (AS) was in heaven according to legacies. The reality of Heaven and Hell is part of the Muslim aqeedah ... we can't be Muslims without that belief. Why can someone not be tempted in Heaven in a time prior to this world? Satan tempts Adam(AS) and he (AS) fell into the trap. Then Satan, Man and Women fell and were sent to Earth. People don't live forever in heaven if Allah (SWT) does not want it.
Coming back from the dead is another requirement to be called a Muslim.
We are required by the Muslim 'aqeedah to believe in Judgement Day and the Qur'an is full of description of the Afterlife so we can truly say what it will be like ... have you actually read the Qur'an with meaning Kid A ... I seriously recommend doing that before coming to a discussion like this.
Very interesting!!!
@Kid A
Nice on bro! That was the true meaning in the "very initial stages of Mohammad pbuh's teaching". However it didn't take long for the "daughter-burrying-triabls" to change the core of the message of Mohammad pbuh.
@psyah
you have not understood what Kid A is saying.
Back to the topic.
Islam as a concept will prevail. There is no doubt in it. @Kid A has very well described what is "Islam the concept".
But "Islam the religion" is not the Last but the LOST one.
If you look around, the righteous people of the world have already adopted Islam-the-concept regardless of their professed religions.
Islam the concept teaches "Sadaqat" as practiced by Mohammad pbuh. Well many societies have accepted truthfulness as part of their faith.
Islam the concept teaches "Amanat" as practiced by Mohammad pbuh. Well many societies have accepted trustworthiness as part of their faith.
Islam the concept teaches "sabro-rehmat" as practiced by Mohammad pbuh. Well many societies have accepted patience and tolerance as part of their faith.
Islam the religion, off course has done away with the three "very basic" characteristics as practiced by Mohammad pbuh "long before" receiving the message from Gabrial ah. No wonder Islam the religion is LOST in the modern world.
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Yes, MODERN WORLD...YOUR CRACKHEAD MODERN WORLD with the Finance Crisis and Bank Managers who earn 50 + Billion on the shoulder of innocent people who work their ass off, right? Job cuttings and epidemia, Bombay Attacks, CIA, BND, Mossad, ISI, all these Secret Agencies which are on strange operations and accuse others for having mass destruction weapons and then bombing innocent people?
Manufacturing shoes and clothes in Taiwan for not even 5 $ and selling them here for 100 $ + right? This is modern world? This is the modern world in which everything is burning, right? Now that America has chosen a black president it is a sorry for the Million Black people who had been killed by the educated and modern western world!
America calls itself Power, Power which can do whatever it want. What has America and the Soviets done here in Germany? They Bombed whole Germany and left everything devastated. Poor Women cleaned the **** of the American and Soviet Bombers. Hazrat Abu Bakr said when you fight you should save Buildings and Gardens. This modern world bombed everything.
Aborting and Killing a innocent life for example is a great achivement of the MODERN WORLD!
which society are you talking of who has accepted tolerance, balance, thrustworthiness, truth, the path? I only see that everyone has his own idea/way of life like mentioned in the Qur'an. Muhammad (saw) has also been told you are only a warner, someone who wants to believe, he will believe. Someone who doesn't want, he doesn't want! Islam has already been accepted, but there is a evil left in the body which doesn't let these people finde the whole truth!
Jesus preached there will come a Comforter who will lead you to the full truth! How do we find the full truth? When we do Jihad - the greater Jihad - against our Ego, Selfishness we will find the whole truth, but people will find always excuses...
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Peace Psyah,
I have read the quran. The difference, I guess, in our interpretation is that I believe that the quran must be interpreted using only itself, using only the information it gives us.
And to me a metaphoric understanding of jinn makes more sense because physical jinn have never been seen. There's no evidence for them, so I can't believe in them.
Also, I don't think I would even consider myself a Muslim because my beliefs are too different. I don't believe in a religion called Islam, so I can't be a follower of it.
And please post any verses you would like me to take a look at. I may have overlooked things.
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Oh and about the controlling our emotions part, my explanation might've been muddled but I think we agree.