I stand by my opinion that sex by force in marriage is different than rape.
For those who are not using something which lies inside their skull......here is the explaination.......................
When is the last time you heard a person arrested and sent to jail if this person spanks his/her child?
Another person who got involved in beating a chile not his own could be jailed however.
.........Same or similar act but different scenario.....hence different punishment.
Please read again if not fully understood.
And for those who said its my personal opinion, I am very thankful to them for giving me the credit.:)
Please remember, I said Spouse and not husband or wife in my posts.
In your example it's called beating or spanking in both the cases (somebody's own child or others). Then why the same rule should not apply to marital/otherwise rape. Both should be called rape by your very own logic.
In your example it's called beating or spanking in both the cases (somebody's own child or others). Then why the same rule should not apply to marital/otherwise rape. Both should be called rape by your very own logic.
I requested that my post be read again if not understood.
You did not do that. Read my post again. I am not responsible for your lack of understanding when my post is very clear.
I requested that my post be read again if not understood.
You did not do that. Read my post again. I am not responsible for your lack of understanding when my post is very clear.
Just read it again maybe it is my lack of understanding or the way it has been written that I still don't get the point. Also I find it little disturbing that you are comparing (in example) spanking and raping. Both are totally different things.
What will happen if for example somebody kills his own child or somebody else's child. He will be punished same in both the instances and won't be able to hide behind "it was my own child".
Just read it again maybe it is my lack of understanding or the way it has been written that I still don't get the point. Also I find it little disturbing that you are comparing (in example) spanking and raping. Both are totally different things.
What will happen if for example somebody kills his own child or somebody else's child. He will be punished same in both the instances and won't be able to hide behind "it was my own child".
Just my two cents.
Your argument is worth less than two cents just beacause you did not use something called brain when you wrote your argument.
Killing someone means taking someone's life.
Do you know the difference between spanking and killing?
If not then I say God help you grow another brain inside your skull.
You can call it marital rape, or you can call it domestic abuse. It doesn't change the nature of the crime. The action of forcing yourself on your spouse is a criminal act.
There is plenty in the Quran about not harming your wife in any physical way and treating your wife with kindness, etc. How the scenario of someone forcing themselves on their spouse fits into that picture, I can't fathom.
And its not a fake issue. Its real. Many of the marriages in our culture alone are arranged, and the couple doesn't really know each other well on their first wedding night. Some people might be shy of having sex the first night, and some people get forced into it. It doesn't make it right.
well yeah,..is there any survey abt tht??....its the thurki pana of our mind tht we come up with such terms "marital rape"...if one out of million does tht,then it is a no issue....majority of men give respect to their ladies and wht abt ladies "forcing" their husbands..dont tell me wifes dont have interest in physical relationship..
stop following riffat makkhan and asma langoor....
You exaggerate with your example, but yes I know of people who did not have sex on their first night. For many reasons. The whole, "Well I've never had a conversation with you before" to "Its 3 a.m. in the morning, and we're both tired". Would they sleep with their faces turned away from each other? I don't know what I said to make you think such a thing.
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yeah u have been asking people wht they do on their first wedding night..hahaha
dear in intellectual debate,statistics and facts matter,not wht u have heared or the like...there is no such thing as marital rape...and if there is,then it is very rare..
we muslims dont see our wifes as sex objects...
So its a big deal if a bonafide authentic married couple has sexual encounter the first night even without force?
Married couple has an agreement for that matter.
I am not condoning physical torture or abuse under any circumstances.
In marriage a woman has just as much right to have sex with her husband as husband to have sex with the wife. No two ways about it.
I just cannot comprehend the idea of 'rape' in marriage. Its rare at best and not even rape per se.
Its a forceful act of sex between two adults who agreed to give each other right to have sex.
It must be dealt with accordingly by the family and society.
The root cause must be sought and remedied.
It may be a sign of other marital problems.
These are definations of rape from different dictionaries.
Force (someone) to have sex against their will; “The woman was raped on her way home at night”
The crime of forcing a woman to submit to sexual intercourse against her will.
(wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn)
Rape is a crime wherein the victim is forced into sexual activity against his or her will, in particular sexual penetration. It is considered by most societies to be among the most severe crimes. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape)
Rape is defined as forced, manipulated or coerced sexual intercourse (or other sexual act) against the will of the victim. If the act occurs while the victim is unconscious, asleep or otherwise unable to communicate unwillingness, it is still considered rape. (www.wpi.edu/Pubs/Policies/Judicial/sect16.html)
IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE WHERE IT STATES THAT MARITAL FORCEFUL SEX WITHOUT CONSENT IS NOT CALLED RAPE PLEASE PROVIDE.
If still you want to call it something else thats your prerogative.
Garbage and nothing but garbage dear friend Lightbearer.
No definition here involves the sexual encounter between a man and woman who agreed to have and give ALL the rights to have and agreed to GIVE sexual pleasure to the counterpart…the SPOUSE.
IN MY PERSONAL OPINION… ANOTHER TERM AND ITS CONSEQUENSES AND TREATMENT MUST BE CREATED AND FOUND BY ALL OF US TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN (ALLEGED OR TRUE) FORCEFULL SEX BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE &… THE RAPE.
Your assignment is to read my post at least three times before responding my friend.
Again, for the sake of clarification, I do not condone any way of having sex by force married or not.