ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bolt

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I just don't get how they can do such horrors to these men. Whatever, so they were employed by the government, what do you expect these people to do? Sit at home and starve? They have families to take care of, so they enlisted for their positions. And so why slaughter all of them for the policies made by one man?? Why not come to the negotiation table and talk to each other???

Again, muslim leaders need to start talking more, negotiating more, and cooperating more. Maliki's moves to alienate sunnis were bad, and this is a flat out rebellion from frustrated people, who are not killing innocent people after having lost it themselves, and now those shias and their families will lose it too, and in turn, kill. Violence begets violence, and this is just not going to end well.

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I am sorry sir but we actually follow a religion that prohibits harming others on the basis of faith. We have fought repeated armed battles against the Taliban in Parachinar alone and we are armed to teeth like the rest of religious/political factions of Pakistan but those arms are to defend us against the followers of mullahs that for every week that pass-by declare blood of the 'other' sect as halal. Fourteen and half centuries gone, you will struggle to find a Shia leader anywhere in the world that deemed blood of a fellow Muslim as lawful. So please be a little credible in your guess work.

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This is disastrous. ISIS's massacres of Shia prisoners is designed to enflame sectarian violence and whip up such hatred against Sunnis that Sunnis will feel obligated to fight for ISIS to avoid revenge massacres.

All the news that I'm reading suggests that the conflict is directly shaping up on purely sectarian lines. This is far, far worse than Syria. May Allah SWT bring peace to Iraq swiftly. Aameen.

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^this is what Western media will have you believe. Whether it is intentional misrepresentation of facts or poor analysis I am not too sure. Fact is that this group is small number bunch of criminals that no sane minded would stand beside. It is great insult to Sunnis to suggest that they would show some kind of love for these savages. Iraqi Sunni muftis have deemed it obligatory for people to rise up to these sub humans. You can youtube the video for yourself.

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I don't doubt that the righteous Sunni ulema would rule against ISIS. The problem is that if ISIS succeed in provoking Shia militias to sink to ISIS's level, then they would be in a position to use the motivation of self-preservation to push Sunnis under their control into supporting them.

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Trust me ISIS didn’t do any of the killings mainly some sunnis went against the oppressive government and now Shias from the south are rebelling and going to Baghdad killing many sunnis with the help of the US aids of course. Got this all from several of my friends who are Iraqis and some from Mosul.

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From my knowledge the shias in Iraq are doing alot worse with kidnapping and torturing any sunnis they find, as well as taking their homes by force and preventing them from getting any jobs in Iraq.

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Didn't the hashashins used to murder caliphs, judges, governors etc in Iraq before mongol wiped them out? Iran was a sunni country until safavids took it over and look what we have today.

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You have deviated from the point that I make in response to the other poster and my point is quite loud, clear, and verifiable. No sane group in this day and age would go around in rampage killing innocents from the 'other' group indiscriminately. The few insane ones that do are quite easy to count and Shias certainly do not feature in that list.

Besides the point but you mentioned assassins that led inter Ismaili fight and I highly recommend an in depth research by an author named Bernard Lewis on the subject. In his book he explains how stories like Paradise of Assasins is work of imagination and a fiction but many have read it or heard about it and shaped their view of assassins. My guess is that you have read that novel?

And Shiism goes a long way back than Safavis in Iran unless ones decides to visist a lashkar e Jhangvi website. Cities of Qom and Ray were prominent centers of Shia learning centuries before the Safavis (8th Shia Imam, Ali al Reza is buried there was announced successor of Abbasi caliph Mamoom). It is true though that under Safavis it was the first time that a Shia estate was established and masses of Sunnis, of Sufi leaning, turned Shia.

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three innocent truck drivers killed by ISIS because they didnt get the right figure of prayers bowing.... this is crazy!

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Plz dont tell me its not ISIS

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So as per the news, currently Kurdish militia, Shia militia and Govt forces have joined hands against ISIS. And thats exactly the reason why drones have not bee used so far. But i'm sure we'll be hearing about it anytime soon

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Iraq’s Maliki defies call to reach out, accuses Saudis of ‘genocide’ | Reuters

Reuters) - Iraq’s Shi’ite rulers defied Western calls on Tuesday to reach out to Sunnis to defuse the uprising in the north of the country, declaring a boycott of Iraq’s main Sunni political bloc and accusing Sunni power Saudi Arabia of promoting “genocide”.

Washington has made clear it wants Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to embrace Sunni politicians as a condition of U.S. support to fight a lightning advance by forces from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

But the Shi’ite prime minister has moved in the opposite direction, announcing a crackdown on politicians and officers he considers “traitors” and lashing out at neighbouring Sunni countries for stoking militancy.

The latest target of his government’s fury was Saudi Arabia, the main Sunni power in the Gulf, which funds Sunni militants in neighbouring Syria but denies it is behind ISIL.

“We hold them responsible for supporting these groups financially and morally, and for the outcome of that - which includes crimes that may qualify as genocide: the spilling of Iraqi blood, the destruction of Iraqi state institutions and historic and religious sites,” the Iraqi government said of Riyadh in a statement.

Maliki has blamed Saudi Arabia for supporting militants in the past, but the severe language was unprecedented. On Monday Riyadh blamed sectarianism in Baghdad for fuelling the violence.

In the latest bloodshed, scores of Iraqis were killed on Tuesday during a battle for a provincial capital, and fighting shut the country’s biggest oil refinery, starving parts of the country of fuel and power.

Government forces said they repelled an attempt by insurgents to seize Baquba, capital of Diyala province north of Baghdad, in fighting overnight. Some residents and officials said the dead included scores of prisoners from the local jail. There were conflicting accounts of how they had died.

ISIL fighters who aim to build a Caliphate based on mediaeval Sunni precepts across the Iraqi-Syrian frontier launched their revolt by seizing the north’s main city, Mosul, last week and swept through the Tigris valley towards Baghdad.

The fighters, who consider all Shi’ites to be heretics deserving death, pride themselves on their brutality and have boasted of massacring hundreds of troops who surrendered.

Most Iraqi Sunnis abhor such violence, but nevertheless the ISIL-led uprising has been joined by other Sunni factions, including former members of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party and tribal figures, who share widespread anger at perceived oppression by Maliki’s government.

Western countries, including the United States, have urged Maliki to reach out to Sunnis to rebuild national unity as the only way of preventing the disintegration of Iraq.

“There is a real risk of further sectarian violence on a massive scale, within Iraq and beyond its borders,” U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Tuesday. “I have been urging Iraqi government leaders including Prime Minister al-Maliki to reach out for an inclusive dialogue and solution of this issue.”

But the long-serving prime minister, who won an election two months ago, seems instead to be relying more heavily than ever on his own sect, who form the majority in Iraq.

Hassan Suneid, a close Maliki ally, said on Tuesday the governing Shi’ite National Alliance should boycott all work with the largest Sunni political bloc, Mutahidoon.

“It is not possible for any bloc inside the National Alliance to work with Mutahidoon bloc due to its latest sectarian attitude,” he told a TV channel of Maliki’s party.

SCRAMBLING ALLIANCES

The sudden advance by Sunni insurgents has the potential to scramble alliances in the Middle East, with the United States and Iran both saying they could cooperate against a common enemy, all but unprecedented since the 1979 Iranian revolution.

Iran, the leading Shi’ite power, has close ties to Maliki and the Shi’ite parties that have held power in Baghdad since U.S. forces toppled Saddam Hussein in 2003. But although both Washington and Tehran are close allies of Baghdad, they have not cooperated in the past.

In a diplomatic rapprochement, U.S. ally Britain said it planned to reopen its embassy in Tehran, two and a half years after a mob ransacked the mission.

U.S. officials say they could discuss Iraq with Iranians on the sidelines of nuclear talks in Vienna this week.

President Barack Obama, under fire at home by critics who say he did too little to shore up Iraq since withdrawing U.S. troops in 2011, is considering options for military action such as air strikes. He has sent a small number of extra marines to guard the U.S. embassy but has ruled out redeploying troops.

“The president will continue to consult with his national security team in the days to come,” the White House said, without elaborating. A senior U.S. official said Obama had not yet decided on a course of action.

REFINERY SHUT

Iraqi officials confirmed that the Baiji refinery north of Baghdad had shut down, although they said government troops still held the vast compound. Foreign workers were evacuated by Iraqi government helicopters.

With the refinery shut, Iraq will have difficulty generating electricity and pumping water to sustain its cities in summer. There were already reports of queues for fuel in the north.

During the U.S. occupation, the refinery stayed open, and the threat to it shows how much more vulnerable Iraq is now to insurgents than it was before Washington pulled out troops.

Tens of thousands of Shi’ites have rallied at volunteer centres in recent days, answering a call by the top Shi’ite cleric to defend the nation. Many recruits have gone off to train at Iraqi military bases.

But with the million-strong regular army abandoning ground despite being armed and trained by the United States at a cost of $25 billion, the government is increasingly relying on extra-legal Shi’ite militia to fight on its behalf, re-establishing groups that fought during the 2006-2007 bloodletting.

According to one Shi’ite Islamist working in the government, well-trained fighters from the Shi’ite organisations Asaib Ahl Haq, Khetaeb Hezbollah and the Badr Organisation are now being deployed as the main combat force, while new civilian volunteers will be used to hold ground after it is taken.

The Sunni militants have moved at lightning speed since seizing Mosul last Tuesday, slicing through northern and central Iraq, capturing the towns of Hawija and Tikrit in the north before facing resistance in southern Salahuddin province, where there is a large Shi’ite population.

The battle lines are now formalising, with the insurgents held at bay about an hour’s drive north of Baghdad and just on the capital’s outskirts to the west.

State television said Iraqi security forces repelled attacks on three neighbourhoods overnight in Baquba, capital of Diyala, an ethnically and religiously mixed province that saw some of the worst violence of the 2003-2011 U.S. occupation.

Militants also attacked a northern Iraqi village, called Basher, 15 km (9 miles) south of Kirkuk, inhabited by Shi’ite ethnic Turkmen. They were repelled, police said.

Kirkuk itself has been taken by forces from the autonomous Kurdish region. In a further sign of ethnic and sectarian polarisation, Maliki allies have accused the Kurds of colluding with Sunnis to dislodge government forces in the north.

The mainly Turkmen city of Tal Afar, west of Mosul, fell to Sunni militants late on Sunday, and the Iraqi military said it was sending reinforcement there. The Iraqi army said on state television it had killed a top militant, named Abu Abdul Rahman al-Muhajir, in Mosul in clashes.

But security officials seemed pessimistic about the situation in Mosul. One Iraqi security officer warned: “There is no clear strategy for the Iraqi government to retake Mosul. And without the US and international community support, the Iraqi government will never retake Mosul.”

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What an interesting tapestry of events in the region. Yesterday's enemies are fast becoming bedfellows. Washington is fondly looking towards Tehran for help against the ISIL. I guess Washington will need Riyadh to curtail the chaos more than Tehran. One thing is obvious however that wherever US goes to correct things, it ends up making things even more complicated.

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No you actually said and made it sound like shiites are the victim and like some budhist monks (an oxymore with recent events) don't fight back or go on rampage themselves.

I don't know where lashkar jhangvi came in when I mentioned that iran was a sunni country before safavids. At least you admitted that and I won't take this topic further in this thread.

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welcome to the fruits of democracy, seeds of which were planted post 9/11.

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ISIS militants press forward, threaten to seize more Iraqi cities as soldiers bolt

Yup blame everything on democracy. Nothing other than democracy. Ofcourse it was a dream world under dictatorship

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Democracy was meant to solve all problems. The White House said so. This was the whole point of the Iraq fiasco...get rid of a dictator, and the whole middle east will erupt in a spasm of democratic spirit.

Didn't quite work out that way...did it?

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UPDATE FROM IRAQI FRIEND FROM MOSUL:

MANY MOSUL SUNNI PEOPLE HAVE HAD THEIR SONS AND MALE MEMBERS KIDNAPPED INTO PRISON AND TORTURED, DESPITE MANY PROTESTS. THE SUNNI FAMILIES AND SOME OLD ARMY GENERALS HAVE COME TOGETHER TO MAKE A PROTEST AND HAVE OVERTHROWN THE IRAQI ARMY IN THE AREA AND KICKED THEM OUT.

MALIKI GOT SOME OF THE SUNNI PRISONERS AND DRESSED THEM UP AS CIVILIANS/****E. MALIKI DRESSED UP HIS ARMY INTO ISIS CLOTHES AND THEY VIDEOTAPPED THEM KILLING THESE SUNNI PRISONERS.

THIS IS ALL FAKE NO ISIS WAS INVOLVED MALIKI DID THIS TO PREVENT THE PEOPLE FROM UPRISING AGAINST HIM AND TO GET AMERICA TO DEFEND HIS ACTIONS!

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MY IRAQI FRIEND TOLD ME. THE “ISIS” PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY THE IRAQI ARMY WHICH MALIKI DRESSED IN THEIR UNIFORM AND THE POEPLE WHO WERE KILLED WERE SUNNI PRISONERS . MALIKI DID THIS TO PREVENT UPRISING AND TO GET AMERICA TO SUPPORT HIM. THE TRUTH IS SOME FAMILY IN MOSUL WHOS CHILDREN WERE KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO PRISON TO BE TORTURED MADE AN UPRISING AND KICKED THE IRAQI ARMY FROM THE AREA TO PREVENT THEM FURTHER KIDNAPPING PEOPLE IN THEIR AREA. MALIKI FELT THREATENED AND TOLD HIS ARMY TO DRESS UP AS ISIS SO HE CAN BLAME IT ON ISIS AND ATTACK THE PEOPLE OF THE AREA WITHOUT ANY CONCEQUENCE.